# The latest in abortion insanity **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590 "2016-05-12T03:11:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/181 "2016-05-17T16:40:31Z")
Well, the “prolife” movement has no problem with calling us “pro-abortion.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/182 "2016-05-17T16:45:46Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Well, the “prolife” movement has no problem with calling us “pro-abortion.” I use the phrase “pro-choice.” ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/183 "2016-05-17T16:47:29Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Well, the “prolife” movement has no problem with calling us “pro-abortion.” I’m civil for my own self respect and not with any expectation that it be returned. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/184 "2016-05-17T17:27:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I use the phrase “pro-choice.” As most do. And it’s appreciated. I try hard to reciprocate. (Although I do think there is an argument that “pro-choice” is a more accurate descriptor for being in favor of a woman’s ability/right to choose abortion than is “pro-life” for being opposed to abortion. But that’s been done to death, I reckon.) ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/185 "2016-05-17T17:30:51Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > No, I’m just polite enough to use the word that they prefer as an identifier. The word they use is biased though - it denies the other side the right to use their own identifier, by implying that they are “anti-life.” Neutral terms are best - anti-abortion vs. pro-choice or pro-abortion-rights. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/186 "2016-05-17T18:32:51Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > The word they use is biased though - it denies the other side the right to use their own identifier, by implying that they are “anti-life.” > > Neutral terms are best - anti-abortion vs. pro-choice or pro-abortion-rights. I’ve never been denied the option of identifying as pro-choice by having used the term pro-life and have never felt that the opposite of pro-life is anti-life. They are labels and not literal descriptions. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/187 "2016-05-18T00:24:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, my position on abortion is, in fact, morally superior and correct. > > But that has nothing to do with the sidetrack about **spam**. I think the incident was fabricated. Others think it isn’t; **spam** stands behind the account as factual. > > So it’s very possible to believe: > > (1) Abortion is morally wrong and \*\*spam was lying. > (2) Abortion is morally wrong and \*\*spam was telling the truth. > (3) Abortion is morally neutral and \*\*spam was lying. > (4) Abortion is morally neutral and \*\*spam was telling the truth. > > The two propositions are simply unrelated. Your opinion on abortion is factual… good to know thanks What other opinions of yours are factual? Beer is healthier than water? Red wine is better than white wine? Anal sex is a crime against humanity? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/188 "2016-05-18T01:32:32Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Well, the “prolife” movement has no problem with calling us “pro-abortion.” And if you aspire to be just liked as them, then you’ll act just like them. Your choice. (No pun intended) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/189 "2016-05-18T02:33:42Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Your opinion on abortion is factual… > good to know thanks > What other opinions of yours are factual? > Beer is healthier than water? > Red wine is better than white wine? > Anal sex is a crime against humanity? You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/190 "2016-05-18T03:02:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re welcome. Well bless your heart, ain’t you just the sweetest, politest, nicest lawyer a person ever met. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/191 "2016-05-18T08:50:11Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Naturally. This law is yet another example of how the anti-abortion movement is about nothing more than tormenting women, and the anti-abortion members of this board know it. So of course they are going to derail the thread as far away from the original subject as they can; they _know_ their position is indefensible and blatantly malignant, so rather than argue\* for\* it they try to distract everyone from it. So out of curiosity, how do you make of a liberal/left-leaning pro-lifer like me? By that I mean I consistently support the candidates of the Democratic Party and support things like universal health care, maternity/paternity leave, guaranteed access to birth control, universal childcare, food stamps for needy families, and so forth. Nonetheless, I cannot in good conscience support legalized human abortion which I believe to involve the taking of human life. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/192 "2016-05-18T09:19:31Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > So out of curiosity, how do you make of a liberal/left-leaning pro-lifer like me? By that I mean I consistently support the candidates of the Democratic Party and support things like universal health care, maternity/paternity leave, guaranteed access to birth control, universal childcare, food stamps for needy families, and so forth. Nonetheless, I cannot in good conscience support legalized human abortion which I believe to involve the taking of human life. I’d personally assume you’re brainwashed by your religion. There are secular pro-lifers, of course, but they’re pretty rare in my experience. The fact that you awkwardly use the term “cuck” suggests you have a fucked up view of sexuality. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/193 "2016-05-18T11:53:12Z")
> [@spamforbrains](#): > > I personally spoke to the person who sponsored this law, a male GOP, never been pregnant, cannot ever be pregnant, no medical training, and he spewed a series of profanities at me that I wish I had illegally recorded. AFAIK, Ms. Brains may have spoken to the Congressman’s aide, or such. But that he uttered profanities is certainly believable. Indeed, given the despicable nature of anyone who would sponsor such a law (or the despicable character of a large plurality of GOP Congressmen in general), it might be more surprising if he _didn’t_ utter profanities! IANAL and am also unclear about recording laws, but anyway I think it’s likely that “illegally” was just an extra adverb that got injected into the post without much thought one way or the other. But in any event … _Anyone who imagines that Ms. Brains knows recording would have been legal, but pretended to believe otherwise thinking it would further a lie_ **has been over-indulging in mind-altering drugs**. **Brickforbrains** — don’t give up your day job to write whodunnits if this is your insight into human nature. > [@Bricker](#): > > You forgot that she didn’t record it because it would be illegal, until learning it wasn’t illegal, at which point she couldn’t reach her phone in time to record it. And, here’s **Brickforbrains** , repeating his same false, pretentious, tiresome, and irrelevant “insight” over and over _ad nauseam_. Hey, **Brickforbrains** — what happened to the other thread, where you made an obviously stupid comment about Social Security, defended it for a dozen posts until someone was kind enough to lead you by the hand to grasp the stupidity, then replaced it with another stupid wrong statement? After even your revised statement was shown to be arithmetic gibberish, you abandon that thread, not even flushing the toilet of your shit, and come over here, _with no contribution to offer except to accuse Ms. Brains of being a liar!_ I see why we call you **Brickforbrains**. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/194 "2016-05-18T13:46:28Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’d personally assume you’re brainwashed by your religion. What a pathetically limp response. There’s nothing inconsistent with being liberal politically and believing that terminating a pregnancy at a certain time is wrong. In fact, pretty much everyone, probably even you, believes there is a point where a pregnancy shouldn’t be terminated. It’s just a matter of when. Even Roe v. Wade said that government may pretty much ban all abortion in the third trimester. Very few people support abortion rights up to the due date. To go around saying that anyone who disagrees with you is “brainwashed” is lazy and rude and doesn’t further the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/195 "2016-05-18T14:54:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > \ > > I see why we call you **Brickforbrains**. We do? I was unaware of this. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/196 "2016-05-18T15:14:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Hey, **Brickforbrains** — what happened to the other thread, where you made an obviously stupid comment about Social Security, defended it for a dozen posts until someone was kind enough to lead you by the hand to grasp the stupidity, then replaced it with another stupid wrong statement? After even your revised statement was shown to be arithmetic gibberish, you abandon that thread, not even flushing the toilet of your shit, and come over here, _with no contribution to offer except to accuse Ms. Brains of being a liar!_ That never happened. Is what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/197 "2016-05-18T18:56:05Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > What a pathetically limp response. My response was of acceptable turgidity, thank you. > [@](#): > > There’s nothing inconsistent with being liberal politically and believing that terminating a pregnancy at a certain time is wrong. And believing it’s wrong at all stages after conception, is highly correlated with religion. And I never said that\* liberal political thinking was incompatible with religion\*, so your objection is pretty much goofy. > [@](#): > > In fact, pretty much everyone, probably even you, believes there is a point where a pregnancy shouldn’t be terminated. It’s just a matter of when. Even Roe v. Wade said that government may pretty much ban all abortion in the third trimester. Very few people support abortion rights up to the due date. Again, that’s not the issue, putting the date at conception forward is the issue. Your thinking on this is muddled, because, I assume, you want to reflexively white-knight religion. Cool on you, you respect people of faith. So do I. I can respect someone, and think their position on certain issues is due to indoctrination. I know intelligent and decent religious people. But those beliefs are inherently irrational and silly. > [@](#): > > To go around saying that anyone who disagrees with you is “brainwashed” is lazy and rude and doesn’t further the debate. I didn’t go around saying that. I said, “I’d assume it’s because [he’s] brainwashed…” I even said that there are secular people against abortion. But those people, are rare, so given that I know Qin (or at least his socially crippled posting style) and know he’s a bible thumping goofball, this guides my assumption. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Commodore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@Commodore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Commodore)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/198 "2016-05-19T03:46:13Z")
I would say that a person who aborts a healthy child is a just a moron. Any one who believes they have the right to murder another I think would support just killing anyone because that was their whim at the time. Children have rights I say and the baby in the mothers body is the most unsafe place to be in the year 2016 that says a lot for society now doesn’t it, backwards as in my opinion. I don’t know how a person could live with themselves, many women have a hell of a problem years after such that I know of. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/199 "2016-05-19T04:21:59Z")
Yes, but you’re clearly a fucking moron. So, yanno. You got that going for you. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/200 "2016-05-19T05:00:23Z")
> [@Commodore](#): > > years after such that I know of. English? Ever heard of it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590.md?page=11)