# The latest in abortion insanity **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590 "2016-05-12T03:11:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/61 "2016-05-13T05:33:02Z")
> [@spamforbrains](#): > > I have never had any political leanings. Bullshit. Otherwise, you wouldn’t use such tortured phrases “a male GOP.” ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/62 "2016-05-13T05:33:15Z")
> [@spamforbrains](#): > > You can look that up. I’m afraid of liability laws. Well, that’s a pity. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/63 "2016-05-13T05:38:37Z")
> [@spamforbrains](#): > > You can look that up. I’m afraid of liability laws. If you’re telling the truth, there’s no fear of violating “liability laws.” So what gives? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/64 "2016-05-13T06:02:23Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > . . . Now you’re twisting my words. I said it was the Mouth of Sauron, not the big S himself. . . . Oh, well, yeah, that’s different. Ol’ Mouthy, he liked his caviar salty. I also notice this thread has gone the way of many, derailed by a pointless **Bricker** -esque digression, leaving the real point behind. He does this on purpose. I think it gives him some kind of personal gratification. I can just see him in Philadelphia in 1787. “Wait a minute. Ben Franklin just said he had spoken with the King of France. Did he really? Or was it just a minister? We don’t have any witnesses; Franklin could just be making up anything he wants.” ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/65 "2016-05-13T06:17:28Z")
> [@spamforbrains](#): > > You can look that up. I’m afraid of liability laws. As an ex-GOP, ex-LDS and ex-Utahn, I’m as anti-GOP, anti-Mormon as it gets, and that’s bullshit. What "liability laws could you possibly be afraid of? There’s so much wrong with the law, along with other outrageous measures which the Mormon, GOP dominated has forced upon the populous that we could pit them forever. Among other steps which they have done is to require abortion providers to list their private residence information because it’s so important. Interestingly enough, there is no similar requirement for any other medical professionals. Consequently, the number of abortion providers has dropped considerably, since who wants to be the target of the next right wing fanatic. And the name of the sponsor is in the article linked in the OP. > [@](#): > > The law, passed by the largely Republican Legislature, was proposed by Republican state Sen. Curt Bramble, a certified public accountant who wanted to ban abortions but determined an outright ban would be overturned by the courts. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/66 "2016-05-13T07:17:04Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > And the name of the sponsor is in the article linked in the OP. Why, so it is. So, **spamforbrains** , you met with Senator Bramble, and he was a rude dick to you? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/67 "2016-05-13T11:32:08Z")
Sorry, I haven’t spent any time in the Pit, and truth be told I’d forgotten about this post because it’s not in my normal ‘patrol area,’ and other issues crowded it out of my mind. The only reason I’m here now is that this was moved from Great Debates. I’ve never been here before, actually; the description on the main menu was enough to scare me off. 🙂 Anyway, I wonder if Sen. Bramble fears for his immortal soul because he believes he’s allowing certain fetuses to feel pain. He also clearly doesn’t seem to be too worried about abusing live people like sfb who have the audacity to disagree with him and (horrors!) tell him so. (Yes, I believe you, sfb. :)) Then again, I guess he can just recant at the end and he’ll be safely propelled to heaven. Really makes you wonder what heaven is like if it’s infested with religious fundamentalists. And just as a disclaimer, for those who don’t know me, I’m as atheistic as they come. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/68 "2016-05-13T14:37:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > This one really has to be seen to be believed. A new abortion-related law has been passed in Utah: > > [http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-abortion-20160510-20160509-snap-story.html](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-abortion-20160510-20160509-snap-story.html) > > The details are in the article, including that doctors tend to disagree with the scientific basis for fetuses of that age being able to feel pain. Sounds skeevy to me, but whatever. But here’s the kicker: > > (emphasis mine) > > So, even given the contested assumption that the fetus _is_ able to feel pain, it’s alright for some fetuses to get painkillers but not others??? I just have to wonder if there are some connections missing in certain conservative minds. Can’t they just BAN abortions after the 20th week? I mean why bother with this stupid law? ---
**Author:** ![spamforbrains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@spamforbrains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spamforbrains)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/69 "2016-05-13T16:41:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Can’t they just BAN abortions after the 20th week? I mean why bother with this stupid law? it’s unconstitutional to do so. And rightly so. There are very few abortions that occur after the 20th week, and many of them are for medical reasons-the fetus is found to have a serious abnormality and is not viable or other unpleasant facts of nature are occurring. Another reason why an abortion may occur late is the weird laws restricting access to abortions. If the only place you can get an abortion is 500 miles away, you’re broke, don’t own a car, have 3 kids and two jobs, it might some time to figure out how to get one. Not that it matters. In my admittedly biased view, I think any woman who doesn’t want something growing inside of her should be allowed to have it removed, immediately, no questions asked. Most women feel the same way. Even women who thought they were “pro-life” tend to suddenly change their minds when faced with the actual situation. Women will do anything to get rid of it, up to and including killing themselves. There are other fun laws in this and other states that simply act to punish women trying to get abortions-waiting periods. Studies have shown that waiting periods do nothing but make women suffer. And the oh-so-fun forcible transvaginal ultrasound. They ram a huge ultrasound probe into your vagina and show you a blurry picture of something for no reason I can think of. Medically unnecessary. Thanks for finding out the politicians’ name. I honestly cannot remember it. I’m bad with names. Sometimes I forget my own name. But really, why do you care? the problem is the law, not some weirdo incident in my life. I’ve had other politicians act extremely unprofessionally in my short stint as an activist. I had a very strange email exchange with one elected official that ended in a sexual proposition. I put him on my email SPAM list. And no, I can’t remember his name either but my computer does. I’m not going to mention it on a message board. That just seems uncool since I’m not going to do anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/70 "2016-05-13T16:57:13Z")
You haven’t explained what “liability laws” you were afraid of. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/71 "2016-05-13T16:59:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > You haven’t explained what “liability laws” you were afraid of. And you haven’t explained why you are focusing in on this small side issue over and over again instead of talking about the main issue…but I think we can guess why, can’t we? ---
**Author:** ![spamforbrains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@spamforbrains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spamforbrains)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/72 "2016-05-13T17:29:13Z")
> [@](#): > > You haven’t explained what “liability laws” you were afraid of. I have an extremely limited grasp of the legal system, but going around accusing people by name of doing something nasty sounds illegal to me. So I don’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/73 "2016-05-13T18:18:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And you haven’t explained why you are focusing in on this small side issue over and over again instead of talking about the main issue? It goes to credibility. The whole story sounds made up, or at a bare minimum, highly exaggerated. She contacted a “male GOP” and “leader of our country” who said mean things to her, but she won’t name him because of imaginary “liability laws”. Later, the story changed that she’s just bad with names. Also, while she claims to have an “extremely limited grasp of the legal system”, she boldly declares which laws are unconstitutional. Sure. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/74 "2016-05-13T18:22:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And you haven’t explained why you are focusing in on this small side issue over and over again instead of talking about the main issue…but I think we can guess why, can’t we? It’s **D’anconia**. That’s what he does. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/75 "2016-05-13T19:07:30Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > You haven’t explained what “liability laws” you were afraid of. Might one suggest that someone who is not versed in the legal system may be thinking of libel laws, which may make one civilly liable for statements made on a written medium (such as a web-page) about another individual? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/76 "2016-05-13T19:43:09Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Might one suggest that someone who is not versed in the legal system may be thinking of libel laws, which may make one civilly liable for statements made on a written medium (such as a web-page) about another individual? Truth is an affirmative defense against libel. Naming the state senator who sponsored a law is not libelous, under any definition. Was the poster lying about her accusations, and that’s why she wouldn’t name him? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/77 "2016-05-13T19:46:58Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Truth is an affirmative defense against libel. > > Naming the state senator who sponsored a law is not libelous, under any definition. > > Was the poster lying about her accusations, and that’s why she wouldn’t name him? Is _this_ poster trying to change the subject by JAQing off? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/78 "2016-05-13T19:50:07Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Truth is an affirmative defense against libel. > > Naming the state senator who sponsored a law is not libelous, under any definition. > > Was the poster lying about her accusations, and that’s why she wouldn’t name him? What do you have to say about Utah’s new abortion law? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/79 "2016-05-13T20:04:05Z")
I say that people shouldn’t make up stories to promote their rather obvious agenda, that’s what. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/80 "2016-05-13T20:10:49Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I say that people shouldn’t make up stories to promote their rather obvious agenda, that’s what. It wasn’t the poster that drew you to this thread, was it? So why not tell us your opinion of Utah’s new abortion law? I think it is an unnecessary and dangerous hindrance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590.md?page=5)