# The latest in abortion insanity **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590 "2016-05-12T03:11:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/161 "2016-05-15T15:51:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And, naturally, as a neutral observer you are open to being convinced. > > Look, if you gathered up 20 random adult English-speaking listeners, read that paragraph to them, and then asked, “As best you understand, why did the speaker not record the politician’s harsh words?” we both know that most would say, “Because it’s illegal.” I wouldn’t have read it that way. But it was a poorly written sentence, and it’s hard to know what the poster meant. If I had to guess, it does seem like the poster would have recorded it, despite thinking it was illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/162 "2016-05-15T16:00:12Z")
It just reads to me like she thought it would be morally wrong to record, which no one here can fault, and also that she _mistakenly_ thought it was illegal to record. When you aren’t a lawyer or an officer of the law, you occasionally are mistaken about the fine points of the law-Those that know the law probably encounter this all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/163 "2016-05-15T16:16:17Z")
Do all threads in the Pit get derailed this badly? 4 pages and maybe half a page of it has anything whatsoever to do with the OP. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/164 "2016-05-15T16:21:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Do all threads in the Pit get derailed this badly? 4 pages and maybe half a page of it has anything whatsoever to do with the OP. Obviously not _all_. But it’s important to point out that “all” can be used literally or colloquially, and it’s unclear which one you meant; we should spend several pages discussing whether or not you actually meant to ask whether \*all \*Pit threads get derailed this badly. Which would be absurd. Also, “maybe half a page” could be construed as a factual assertion; please provide detailed statistics for the content of this thread, broken down by post, paragraph, and specific word. For instance, I’m not certain that [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19332273&postcount=163)has anything to do with the OP, but I’m very open-minded and could be persuaded. . ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/165 "2016-05-15T18:39:16Z")
After seeing all those John Oliver shows on YouTube, I wonder more and more if the abortion-discussion isn’t a huge attempt to distract voters Rep ANF Dem from more important issues. Issues that actually have to do with money and power status quo, but that were seemingly too complex for most voters. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/166 "2016-05-15T19:07:01Z")
Fucking sad. And no, I’m not going to do a post count. Enjoy the time wasted, I’m going back to sections where things actually get discussed. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/167 "2016-05-15T21:03:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Fucking sad. > > And no, I’m not going to do a post count. Enjoy the time wasted, I’m going back to sections where things actually get discussed. It was a joke. Lighten up. . ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/168 "2016-05-15T22:51:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Do all threads in the Pit get derailed this badly? 4 pages and maybe half a page of it has anything whatsoever to do with the OP. Naturally. This law is yet another example of how the anti-abortion movement is about nothing more than tormenting women, and the anti-abortion members of this board know it. So of course they are going to derail the thread as far away from the original subject as they can; they _know_ their position is indefensible and blatantly malignant, so rather than argue\* for\* it they try to distract everyone from it. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/169 "2016-05-15T23:36:08Z")
> [@andros](#): > > It was a joke. Lighten up. I got it…and thought it was funny. However, define “joke…” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/170 "2016-05-15T23:40:27Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I got it…and thought it was funny. > > However, define “joke…” 😉 Yeah, but if you asked 20 random people if it was a joke, would they agree? > [@Der Trihs](#): > > Naturally. This law is yet another example of how the anti-abortion movement is about nothing more than tormenting women… Now, that’s a joke that’s _really_ funny!! ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/171 "2016-05-16T00:08:46Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > People who are actually moral find the idea of forcing a woman to act as an incubator for 9 months as punishment for allowing herself to be raped to be the sort of thing that belongs in a horror movie, not real life. But those people are hypocrites if they believe they should be able to force a pregnant woman who wasn’t raped to carry to term. That’s the point. If abortion is wrong, it’s always wrong. If it’s a right, it’s always a right. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/172 "2016-05-16T00:09:02Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > After seeing all those John Oliver shows on YouTube, I wonder more and more if the abortion-discussion isn’t a huge attempt to distract voters Rep ANF Dem from more important issues. Issues that actually have to do with money and power status quo, but that were seemingly too complex for most voters. Honestly, I’ve always thought the abortion discussion was a means of attacking the reproductive freedoms of women…notice how they’re starting to attack birth control now, particularly as it relates to the Affordable Care Act? The so-called “bathroom bills” are a much better example of what you’re describing…the Republicans have latched onto a complete non-issue to arouse panic in their voting base. In my state, conservative voters are happily throwing their support behind the politicians who are “protecting women” by keeping the scary transgender people from using the restroom, while ignoring (or being completely ignorant of) the fact that these same politicians are the ones who have destroyed the public education system, refused to raise teacher pay to the extent that the best teachers are fleeing the state, and have implemented ridiculous taxes that are aimed at the lower and middle classes. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/173 "2016-05-16T00:10:09Z")
This is hilarious - Utah threw in the standard rape/incest exception, which is already absurd and hypocritical, into a law designed to stop the (presumed) pain of abortion, but not abortion itself. Which just reveals what everyone already knows, that it’s really about trying to stop abortion itself. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/174 "2016-05-17T04:47:52Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Now, that’s a joke that’s _really_ funny!! Because nothing’s funnier than harassment, legally mandated sexual assault and terrorism, right? ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/175 "2016-05-17T07:34:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Probably because he or she assumed that it was illegal to record someone without their permission. > > Isn’t that the most obvious possibility? Yeah…but that wouldn’t allow \*\*Bricker \*\*to derail the thread into a meaningless sidetrack on the legality or otherwise of **Spam** ’s actions - and showcase his obviously superior legal learning thus proving that his position on abortion is the morally superior and right one because law = morally correct ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/176 "2016-05-17T09:29:28Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Naturally. This law is yet another example of how the anti-abortion movement is about nothing more than tormenting women, and the anti-abortion members of this board know it. Nah, the prolife movement is about stopping abortion. The way they do that is by tormenting women. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/177 "2016-05-17T13:56:27Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Yeah…but that wouldn’t allow \*\*Bricker \*\*to derail the thread into a meaningless sidetrack on the legality or otherwise of **Spam** ’s actions - and showcase his obviously superior legal learning thus proving that his position on abortion is the morally superior and right one because law = morally correct Well, my position on abortion is, in fact, morally superior and correct. But that has nothing to do with the sidetrack about **spam**. I think the incident was fabricated. Others think it isn’t; **spam** stands behind the account as factual. So it’s very possible to believe: (1) Abortion is morally wrong and \*\*spam was lying. (2) Abortion is morally wrong and \*\*spam was telling the truth. (3) Abortion is morally neutral and \*\*spam was lying. (4) Abortion is morally neutral and \*\*spam was telling the truth. The two propositions are simply unrelated. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/178 "2016-05-17T14:10:47Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Nah, the prolife movement is about stopping abortion. The way they do that is by tormenting women. You mean the anti-abortion movement. How is bombing clinics and shooting doctors “prolife.” The simple truth is that no society that banned abortion ever gave women equal rights. To say abortion should be illegal is the start of making us second class citizens again. One of the anti-abortion protestors at the local women’s health clinic has a sign “Everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.” Yeah, Hitler was really pro-choice and for women’s rights.:rolleyes: That’s why he told his soldiers to go out and rape Aryan women in hopes of impregnating them to make the master race. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/179 "2016-05-17T14:24:45Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > You mean the anti-abortion movement. How is bombing clinics and shooting doctors “prolife.” Let’s see how that works for other things: Islam the religion of peace? You mean the Religion of Death! How is suicide bombing “peace”. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590/180 "2016-05-17T16:14:14Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > You mean the anti-abortion movement. How is bombing clinics and shooting doctors “prolife.” No, I’m just polite enough to use the word that they prefer as an identifier. You seem to have somehow confused the fact that I use the word prolife with the idea that I am prolife. I would have thought the crack about them tormenting women would have put paid to that idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-latest-in-abortion-insanity/754590.md?page=10)