# The left should back off Ivanka Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 10, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441 "2017-02-10T05:03:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/1 "2017-02-10T05:03:41Z")
I am a proud liberal just like most of you here, but I think it is a mistake for people on our general team on the farther left wing side to go after Ivanka because of her familial association with Trump. Based on what I’ve read, it seems like Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner are some of the rare positive influences in Trumps inner circle that constrain him in ways most of us would find admirable. So trying to firebomb her with boycotts seems incredibly counterproductive. It’s not her fault who her father is and how he conducts himself and the forces he represents. Franks, if Jared Kushner was president in Trumps place I think we’d all be infinitely better off because they are basically moderate liberals. These are not bad people, we want them on our side and sympathetic to our causes. If for no other reason than to avoid some out of control bashing of his daughter and hardening pharaohs heart. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/2 "2017-02-10T05:09:02Z")
Making the best of a bad situation, eh? As an independent well into the conservative tax bracket. No prisoners and it’s a black flag. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/3 "2017-02-10T05:19:45Z")
FUCK Ivanka Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/4 "2017-02-10T05:22:36Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > FUCK Ivanka Trump. If Ivanka and Jared Kushner are forced to abandon Trumps inner circle or turn against their natural political preferences in influencing Trump, you need to remember what will be left to influence the president. [http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/blogs/snlbaldwinbannon.png](http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/blogs/snlbaldwinbannon.png) Is THAT all you want left talking in trumps ear? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/5 "2017-02-10T05:24:18Z")
Suggestions are the main thing of Ivanka’s going into Trump’s ear is her tongue. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/6 "2017-02-10T05:36:02Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > Based on what I’ve read, it seems like Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner are some of the rare positive influences in Trumps inner circle that constrain him in ways most of us would find admirable. So trying to firebomb her with boycotts seems incredibly counterproductive. > > It’s not her fault who her father is and how he conducts himself and the forces he represents. […] These are not bad people, we want them on our side and sympathetic to our causes. 1. Ivanka Trump and her husband have no control over who her father is, but they **do** have control over who they choose to work for. As long as they are active members and supporters of the Trump Administration, they’re open to the same criticisms of the Administration’s actions as everybody else in it. 2. I’d agree that in general it’s unfair to boycott Ivanka’s business because Trump said something stupid, but this was a stupid thing he said **about** Ivanka’s business, that he should not have said (and Conway definitely should not have turned into a blatant sales pitch). A boycott is the only kind of pushback they’ll understand. If trying to use the Presidential office to promote Ivanka’s business ends up being actually **bad** for Ivanka’s business, then maybe Trump and his minions will stop doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/7 "2017-02-10T06:00:37Z")
Keep buying her purses or her dad will nuke Iran? That’s a bit of a stretch on every step. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/8 "2017-02-10T06:03:01Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > FUCK Ivanka Trump. Given the chance, I would. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/9 "2017-02-10T06:03:51Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Suggestions are the main thing of Ivanka’s going into Trump’s ear is her tongue. :eek: I thought Bush and Obama Derangement Syndromes were scary. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/10 "2017-02-10T06:04:38Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > FUCK Ivanka Trump. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Suggestions are the main thing of Ivanka’s going into Trump’s ear is her tongue. This isn’t the Pit. Please try to add a modicum of substance to your posts. Edit: This post was motivated by the above quoted offerings, but also applies generally. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/11 "2017-02-10T06:07:58Z")
Hey, **Bone** , apologies if mine crossed the line, too. Just riffing off of the previous comments. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/12 "2017-02-10T06:10:49Z")
@Superdude - no worries. Moving from Elections to Great Debates. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/13 "2017-02-10T06:10:54Z")
No, OP. Basically Ivanka and her husband have two reasonable options: 1. No political involvement with Trump and continue their business operations as usual or 2. Political involvement with Trump and disengaging from business (put investments in blind trusts, etc). But by doing both there is substantial conflict of interest (sell my clothing lines and Trump won’t go negative toward you.) ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/14 "2017-02-10T06:20:00Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > I am a proud liberal just like most of you here, but I think it is a mistake for people on our general team on the farther left wing side to go after Ivanka because of her familial association with Trump. > > _ **SNIP** _ Sorry OP, but I must have missed something. What has the left actually been doing to Ivanka that they need to back off from doing? Aside from the jackass who hassled her on the airplane and Nordstrom dropping her fashion line I haven’t seen much for her to complain about. And hubby Kushner is a separate issue since he is actually an adviser to the POTUS. Something specific would be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/15 "2017-02-10T07:37:39Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > I think it is a mistake for people on our general team on the farther left wing side to go after Ivanka because of her familial association with Trump. Nordstrom dropping her clothing line because of shitty sales is not the radical Left going after Ivanka, even if Donald claims otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/16 "2017-02-10T08:34:37Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Nordstrom dropping her clothing line because of shitty sales is not the radical Left going after Ivanka, even if Donald claims otherwise. If it had to do with sales then I have no issue, I was lead to believe it was related to some calls for boycotting. I’m generally against boycotts unless there is an issue so cosmically unjust that it’s worth the pushback. I get that people have different standards of worth, but I do not consider Ivankas relationship with her father that over the top, compared to say, fighting jim crow in the south. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/17 "2017-02-10T08:46:09Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > If it had to do with sales then I have no issue, I was lead to believe it was related to some calls for boycotting . . . False dichotomy. If sales are down, that would be the expected outcome of a boycott, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/18 "2017-02-10T10:36:22Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 1)A boycott is the only kind of pushback they’ll understand. If trying to use the Presidential office to promote Ivanka’s business ends up being actually **bad** for Ivanka’s business, then maybe Trump and his minions will stop doing it. Except they won’t. They’ll just try to find someway to punish people who don’t buy stuff from a family business. That’s how they roll. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/19 "2017-02-10T10:59:16Z")
As far as I know, Ivanka’s contribution to “her” products is that she licenses her name to the companies that manufacture and sell them. The thing is, though, she isn’t some widely-accomplished woman, admired for her many achievements in her field. Rather, her name is famous for one reason and one reason only, and that reason is now a bit of a double-edged sword. I’m sure she would prefer that the value of her name not have (evidently) declined, but 99.999% of us will go our whole lives without ever being able to sell our names, so I don’t really feel all that sorry for her. Keeping her father popular so she can run a side-hustle off of his fame is not anybody’s responsibility at all. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/20 "2017-02-10T11:33:05Z")
From this [link](http://www.thewrap.com/ivanka-trumps-nordstrom-line-steadily-declined-in-sales-over-past-year-company-says/), a direct quote from Nordstroms “Over the past year, and particularly in the last half of 2016, sales of the brand have steadily declined to the point where it didn’t make good business sense for us to continue with the line for now,” a Nordstrom spokesperson told TheWrap in a statement Wednesday. “We’ve had a great relationship with the Ivanka Trump team. We’ve had open conversations with them over the past year to share what we’ve seen and Ivanka was personally informed of our decision in early January.” Sounds like Nordstroms made a business decision to me. Thought thats what they were supposed to do? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441.md?page=2)