# The left should back off Ivanka Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 10, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441 "2017-02-10T05:03:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/21 "2017-02-10T11:42:32Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > From this [link](http://www.thewrap.com/ivanka-trumps-nordstrom-line-steadily-declined-in-sales-over-past-year-company-says/), a direct quote from Nordstroms > > “Over the past year, and particularly in the last half of 2016, sales of the brand have steadily declined to the point where it didn’t make good business sense for us to continue with the line for now,” a Nordstrom spokesperson told TheWrap in a statement Wednesday. “We’ve had a great relationship with the Ivanka Trump team. We’ve had open conversations with them over the past year to share what we’ve seen and Ivanka was personally informed of our decision in early January.” > > Sounds like Nordstroms made a business decision to me. Thought thats what they were supposed to do? It’s very possible that her brand tanked over that period due to her father’s controversial statements and behaviour - there is some evidence to suggest his brand certainly has. That’s not the same as her being specifically punished for political reasons. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/22 "2017-02-10T11:44:05Z")
Boycotts are the free market in action. It takes a special kind of entitled capitalist to not understand that when you repell your customers _for any reason_, you can’t expect them to keep buying your shit. If Trump has a problem with this law of natural consequences, he shouldn’t have gone into politics. Being born with Trump’s last name is how Ivanka was even able to get her products sold by Nordstrom. Boo fucking hoo if now that name is costing her deals. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/23 "2017-02-10T11:48:30Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Being born with Trump’s last name is how Ivanka was even able to get her products sold by Nordstrom. Boo fucking hoo if now that name is costing her deals. For real. Ivanka Trump may be forced by this to get a job. While I’m not all about harassing the families of scoundrels, I don’t think refusing to buy things with her name on them rises to the level of harassment. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/24 "2017-02-10T11:56:54Z")
I don’t see why they’re upset. Nordstrom and other chains looked at their sales and decided to drop a line, something they do on a regular basis. Free enterprise at work. Instead of having daddy fight her battles, Ivanka should focus on developing better products. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/25 "2017-02-10T12:25:56Z")
This is pretty much how licensing one’s name really works, isn’t it? As long as Tiger Woods is a hot athlete his name is worth a ton. As soon as it’s revealed he’s maybe cheating on his wife, not so much any more. That’s how the wind blows when it’s all about ‘brand’, one minute hot, next minute not. Whether by poor decision making or bad luck. Think Trump Steaks, Trump University, etc. They were all viable right up until the wind shifted. Nature of the game, I’m afraid. No one damaged this brand except them. How can you be so classless as to use your first interview to hawk a 10,000 piece of jewellery from your tacky line and not think there will be blowback? Completely tone deaf move. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/26 "2017-02-10T12:43:00Z")
Conservatives have told me that it is no big deal if someone is being discriminated from a place of business, since there are always a kabillion other businesses who’d gladly take their business. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/27 "2017-02-10T14:06:36Z")
When you have the president’s adviser using national news media to exhort people to go out and buy Ivanka’s merchandise, people are turned off by the sheer unethical audacity of that whole gang of self-serving con artists exploiting the presidency for personal gain. The old expression “He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas” comes to mind. If Ivanka now finds herself itching all over, it’s her own damn fault. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/28 "2017-02-10T14:40:28Z")
No. Let me expound on that - fuck, no. Perhaps a little additional clarity is in order : A.) Ivanka and her husband lay claim to being moderates, or even liberals. B.) They apparently have Trump’s ear. Then they better start using that access to do some goddamn good, because of Trump so far is “Trump moderated by Ivanka and Jared” then I’m pretty sure either A or B is false. They are not influencing him in a good direction. So, they absolutely should be pressured to show some goddamn results, or the public should stop crediting them as moderates, and just assume the simple, obvious conclusion - that they’re just as complicit in Dad’s shitty actions as anybody else. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/29 "2017-02-10T14:57:41Z")
Ivanka is in the political ring … that makes her fair game for political criticism … and her clothing line looks like shit … ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/30 "2017-02-10T14:57:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t see why they’re upset. Nordstrom and other chains looked at their sales and decided to drop a line, something they do on a regular basis. Free enterprise at work. Instead of having daddy fight her battles, Ivanka should focus on developing better products. Absolutely! Maybe Soros can buy those extra copies. **Yikes! Hillary’s Memoir Book on “DEEP DISCOUNT” After EPIC Election Loss** [http://truthfeed.com/yikes-hillarys-memoir-book-on-deep-discount-after-epic-election-loss/44001/](http://truthfeed.com/yikes-hillarys-memoir-book-on-deep-discount-after-epic-election-loss/44001/) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/31 "2017-02-10T15:11:07Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > Absolutely! Maybe Soros can buy those extra copies. > > **Yikes! Hillary’s Memoir Book on “DEEP DISCOUNT” After EPIC Election Loss** > > [http://truthfeed.com/yikes-hillarys-memoir-book-on-deep-discount-after-epic-election-loss/44001/](http://truthfeed.com/yikes-hillarys-memoir-book-on-deep-discount-after-epic-election-loss/44001/) Knock off the unrelated rubbish. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/32 "2017-02-10T15:22:21Z")
Ivanka Trump is not Barron Trump, nor Tiffany Trump. She’s acting as a policy advisor, sitting in on meetings. I assume that we are still also waiting for transparency about the Trump Org and her continued involvement there. She’s absolutely fair game. PS: the “Javanka are liberals who so don’t deserve all this negative press” line is one that, reportedly, Javanka have been shopping hard to D.C. and NY media, for obvious self-serving reasons. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/33 "2017-02-10T16:12:28Z")
The far left doesn’t tend to believe in ethical consumerism under capitalism so I don’t think you can blame them. It’s more likely the demographic of urban middle to upper class women who shop at these stores aren’t likely to be Trump supporters. She should try selling them in Walmart or Kohl’s. I’ve also heard some people say (the best, smartest people, believe me) that Ivanka’s dresses are cheaply made and overpriced. Ivanka could be a liberal. People called Trump a liberal. It doesn’t really mean anything anymore. She’s cosmopolitan and said something about maternity leave once, close enough. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/34 "2017-02-10T16:25:54Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > **The far left doesn’t tend to believe in ethical consumerism under capitalism** so I don’t think you can blame them. It’s more likely the demographic of urban middle to upper class women who shop at these stores aren’t likely to be Trump supporters. She should try selling them in Walmart or Kohl’s. I’ve also heard some people say (the best, smartest people, believe me) that Ivanka’s dresses are cheaply made and overpriced. > > Ivanka could be a liberal. People called Trump a liberal. It doesn’t really mean anything anymore. She’s cosmopolitan and said something about maternity leave once, close enough. Maybe because there’s a metric shit-ton of evidence to back up that point? Even the Wall Street Journal [criticized Costco for the way they treat their employees.](http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/business/yourmoney/how-costco-became-the-antiwalmart.html) > [@](#): > > But not everyone is happy with Costco’s business strategy. Some Wall Street analysts assert that Mr. Sinegal is overly generous not only to Costco’s customers but to its workers as well. > > Costco’s average pay, for example, is $17 an hour, 42 percent higher than its fiercest rival, Sam’s Club. And Costco’s health plan makes those at many other retailers look Scroogish. One analyst, Bill Dreher of Deutsche Bank, complained last year that at Costco “it’s better to be an employee or a customer than a shareholder.” I did find the WSJ article but it’s behind a paywall. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/35 "2017-02-10T17:52:59Z")
Not participating in politics doesn’t save the children of presidents from criticism/ridicule. It certainly didn’t save Chelsea Clinton from being called a dog (Limbaugh), nor the Obama girls from being criticized for the clothes & body language at a WH ceremony. And they were juvenile children of the POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/36 "2017-02-10T18:07:12Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > I am a proud liberal just like most of you here, but I think it is a mistake for people on our general team on the farther left wing side to go after Ivanka because of her familial association with Trump. > Based on what I’ve read, it seems like Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner are some of the rare positive influences in Trumps inner circle that constrain him in ways most of us would find admirable. So trying to firebomb her with boycotts seems incredibly counterproductive. > > It’s not her fault who her father is and how he conducts himself and the forces he represents. Franks, if Jared Kushner was president in Trumps place I think we’d all be infinitely better off because they are basically moderate liberals. These are not bad people, we want them on our side and sympathetic to our causes. > > If for no other reason than to avoid some out of control bashing of his daughter and hardening pharaohs heart. I think that Ivanka is not like other presidential children. She is inserting herself into the politics and she is fair game. I agree that she is a typical limousine liberal but noone seems to give a shit about that. Attacking Chelsea Clinton while she was still a child was out of bounds but targetting her while she was acting as a surrogate for her mother is fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/37 "2017-02-10T18:24:08Z")
I’ll tell you the deep secret about boycotts. Most of the people who boycott a product or store don’t shop it anyway. I’m a Nordstrom shopper. I enjoy it. I shopped there when they carried Ivanka’s stuff, I’ll shop there now that they don’t. And I wouldn’t change my behavior either way. But I might SAY that I would, one way or the other, to make noise, to make a point. To see if I can influence. Liberals - and conservatives - should buy whatever the hell they want. Shop at WalMart, don’t shop at WalMart. Buy your coffee at Starbucks, don’t buy your coffee at Starbucks. If you justify your decision based off politics, that’s fine. If its off product, that’s fine as well. What shouldn’t happen is that other people should get all butt hurt about it. If Ivanka didn’t want a backlash on her business, Ivanka should have distanced herself from her father. Because it doesn’t matter what his politics are, someone will take exception and boycott. If she was too stupid to realize that, she’s too stupid to own a company to start with. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/38 "2017-02-10T18:35:23Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > If it had to do with sales then I have no issue, I was lead to believe it was related to some calls for boycotting. I’m generally against boycotts unless there is an issue so cosmically unjust that it’s worth the pushback. One of the major, and justified, fears about Trump is that he’s going to be corrupt, that he’s going use his political power to enrich himself and his immediate family. A boycott of any Trump-related businesses is absolutely an appropriate response to that. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/39 "2017-02-10T18:36:45Z")
I agree, nothing is ever gained by such attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441/40 "2017-02-10T19:54:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I agree, nothing is ever gained by such attacks. It made Trump look like (even more of) a bitter vindictive little shit, so there’s that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-left-should-back-off-ivanka-trump/779441.md?page=1)