# The Leftovers season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865 "2015-10-07T21:48:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/121 "2015-12-03T16:30:33Z")
I just wondered why she told her fiance that he was just another fraud, instead of mentioning the fact that he knew about the walnuts. You’d think that in itself would have been worthy of comment. ---
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/122 "2015-12-03T16:47:30Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I just wondered why she told her fiance that he was just another fraud, instead of mentioning the fact that he knew about the walnuts. You’d think that in itself would have been worthy of comment. Because the pyschic was right - she didn’t get what she came for and she didn’t feel like going into that with her fiance. Pre-departure Meg didn’t seem to have any better handle on processing her emotions than post-departure Meg. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/123 "2015-12-03T17:09:10Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I just wondered why she told her fiance that he was just another fraud, instead of mentioning the fact that he knew about the walnuts. You’d think that in itself would have been worthy of comment. She was unstable even then and didn’t want to share this with him. I think she knew also that her fiance didn’t believe in psychics and that sort of thing anyway. Even then, I think she was planning on splitting from him or at least realizing she was on a different path than him. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/124 "2015-12-03T17:16:57Z")
> [@MoonMoon](#): > > Because the pyschic was right - she didn’t get what she came for and she didn’t feel like going into that with her fiance. Pre-departure Meg didn’t seem to have any better handle on processing her emotions than post-departure Meg. Yeah, I figured that she probably either guessed or knew that the fiancé wouldn’t understand. He might be excited that she finally found out her mom’s message, and maybe excited and freaked out that there really is someone with supernatural abilities, and maybe expected that now she’d have closure. It probably would be hard for her to articulate what she was looking for, and what she needs, so it’s easier to say that the psychic is a fraud, and just not deal with it at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/125 "2015-12-05T16:55:20Z")
I have to keep reminding myself to stop looking for hints and clues and just enjoy the story. LOST is the last show I watched regularly and it shows. Last night I was in bed going over the character names and thinking about the biblical (and otherwise religious) connections. I should probably stick to sitcoms. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/126 "2015-12-07T03:17:42Z")
Just wow. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/127 "2015-12-07T16:09:57Z")
Amazing! On a show so dedicated to dealing with grief and pain, what an end to the season to see Kevin sobbing with joy after seeing everyone he loves in one room, waiting for him. If its the series finale (please no!) then a fitting end. Justin Theroux just was amazing throughout. I mean singing “Homeward Bound”, the emotion on his face. Wow… a powerful, powerful scene. And ha, Meg… after teasing some sort of explosion, it was just overwhelming the police of Jarden with masses after they were worried the bridge was going to be blown up. That’s kind of classic GR - misdirection in spades. Great, great season of television! ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/128 "2015-12-07T16:26:13Z")
I loved the whole season. One of the best Ive ever seen. But I was a little underwhelmed with the finale. I loved the twist with Kevin and how that played that out. I expected more from Meg and Evie and the GR though. That said there were some truly incredible scenes: Evie and her mom on the bridge, Tommy helping Nora and the baby, Meg singing that creepy song, and the very last scene, which was as close to a happy ending as the show can get. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/129 "2015-12-07T16:51:31Z")
Wait, so he got gut shot, and all he needed was for the guy who shot him to dab the blood away with some gauze? ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/130 "2015-12-07T18:02:37Z")
I thought this season was great. One question… what was the point in scenes where the lady in the camp was saying to Nora that that’s not her child? And then her eventually taking the child and then dropping her on the bridge? What was the point to all of that? Was it just so they could have Tommy help her up? ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/131 "2015-12-07T18:36:42Z")
> [@nate](#): > > I thought this season was great. > > One question… what was the point in scenes where the lady in the camp was saying to Nora that that’s not her child? And then her eventually taking the child and then dropping her on the bridge? What was the point to all of that? Was it just so they could have Tommy help her up? Yeah I thought it was just to show how unhinged some of the people in the camp had become. And yes, it gave Tommy a chance to be a hero. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/132 "2015-12-08T18:31:00Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I’m thinking that Kevin will make further trips to this hotel in the future, and will be able to use the wardrobe to fulfill different roles. > [@EllisDee](#): > > I would be shocked if he ever returns to the hotel. 😛 I’m willing to suspend my disbelief that there’s only 1 way into and out of this town, but just barely. It also seems that the distance between the bridge and the town proper depends on the plot. Did anyone else notice in one of the wide shots of the bridge that there’s another bridge clearly visible behind it with cars driving on it? I’m guessing that’s an oops, but I shouted at the TV, “Why don’t that just use THAT bridge!?!?” A bit later there’s another shot of cars on that actual road. OK, OK, I know that they just converted this railroad bridge for filming and they either couldn’t get permission to shut down the other road, or just got the timing wrong for those two shots, but it still took me out of the moment. Anyway, I find that I get really into certain aspects of shows, only to find the showrunners abandoning those aspects for other aspects that I could have done without. With this show, I was really hooked by the premise of this one unexplained event and seeing how different people coped. It was a great big world that we were looking at through the eyes of a handful of people coping with tragedy. Fantastic stuff, and I really got a sense of what Tom Perotta was going for. Now though, the world is shrinking rapidly. Somehow all of these people from Mapleton, NY end up in Jasper, TX. And, despite the fact that Jasper represents a massive, irresistible draw to these characters, it’s only the Mapleton folks we know (plus a few hundred Burning Man rejects) who are so drawn to it. And then the guilty remnant, what was one small cult of many small cults, created to show how a handful of people in one small town in NY were coping with tragedy, has grown to to be this big terrorist organization. The only reason to shrink the world is if these people are somehow _special_, but the whole point of season 1 was that they’re _not_. They were just ordinary people in season 1, and now they’re interstate plot devices, cult leaders, and legitimate masters of the supernatural. Lindeloff… fool me twice… you can’t get fooled again. OK fine, bring on season 3. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/133 "2015-12-08T19:11:44Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > 😛 > > I’m willing to suspend my disbelief that there’s only 1 way into and out of this town, but just barely. It also seems that the distance between the bridge and the town proper depends on the plot. > > Did anyone else notice in one of the wide shots of the bridge that there’s another bridge clearly visible behind it with cars driving on it? I’m guessing that’s an oops, but I shouted at the TV, “Why don’t that just use THAT bridge!?!?” A bit later there’s another shot of cars on that actual road. OK, OK, I know that they just converted this railroad bridge for filming and they either couldn’t get permission to shut down the other road, or just got the timing wrong for those two shots, but it still took me out of the moment. > > Anyway, I find that I get really into certain aspects of shows, only to find the showrunners abandoning those aspects for other aspects that I could have done without. With this show, I was really hooked by the premise of this one unexplained event and seeing how different people coped. It was a great big world that we were looking at through the eyes of a handful of people coping with tragedy. Fantastic stuff, and I really got a sense of what Tom Perotta was going for. > > Now though, the world is shrinking rapidly. Somehow all of these people from Mapleton, NY end up in Jasper, TX. And, despite the fact that Jasper represents a massive, irresistible draw to these characters, it’s only the Mapleton folks we know (plus a few hundred Burning Man rejects) who are so drawn to it. And then the guilty remnant, what was one small cult of many small cults, created to show how a handful of people in one small town in NY were coping with tragedy, has grown to to be this big terrorist organization. > > The only reason to shrink the world is if these people are somehow _special_, but the whole point of season 1 was that they’re _not_. They were just ordinary people in season 1, and now they’re interstate plot devices, cult leaders, and legitimate masters of the supernatural. > > Lindeloff… fool me twice… you can’t get fooled again. > > OK fine, bring on season 3. I was definitely surprised by Kevin being back at the hotel. I was thinking it was hilariously dark that he went through all he did in the other episode just to die again, assuming he wouldn’t be able to come back again since he didn’t have any guides or anyone waiting and helping on the other side. But then when he sang and got emotional that was a really good scene. Also, it’s not that many people from Mapleton who have ended up in Jarden. It makes sense that Matt would move there with his wife. Then Nora wanted to move there because Matt is her brother and already told her how it really is great there. Meg is unconnected to the others, but it makes sense that the same thing that drew everyone else there drew her as well. But it’s not like we’re also seeing one of Jill’s old classmates or one of Kevin’s old cop buddies also in Jarden. I think the season ended perfectly. I’ll watch another season if they have one, but that seems unlikely since the ratings were so low. If it is the end of the series, I thought it worked out perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/134 "2015-12-08T19:16:41Z")
On another, note I am obsessed with the theme song by Iris Dement, White Lines by Grandmaster Flash, and the piano version of Where Is My Mind? ---
**Author:** ![Dumbguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dumbguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dumbguy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/135 "2015-12-10T19:38:35Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Yeah I thought it was just to show how unhinged some of the people in the camp had become. And yes, it gave Tommy a chance to be a hero. I thought it was more than that. This is Wayne’s baby, and there was always the implication that the baby important somehow. I thought the woman could sense this was “The Baby” or something. Of course the thread went nowhere cause Damon Lindelof, but I thought it was cool that Tommy was the one to help them since he was the baby’s caretaker for a time, and now Nora is, so they share a bond even if they don’t know really each other. Nora is one of my favorite characters on TV, and Carrie Coon is awesome. The scene where the family is confessing their weird secrets, and she ends with “I pay hookers to shoot me.” is so fucking good. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/136 "2015-12-10T20:48:27Z")
> [@Dumbguy](#): > > I thought it was more than that. This is Wayne’s baby, and there was always the implication that the baby important somehow. I thought the woman could sense this was “The Baby” or something. In season 1, we were shown that it’s not important or special or “The” baby; Wayne had stashed a bunch of pregnant teenagers around town. Tommy even had to give some of his money to another “couple,” which almost got him shot (or maybe he did get shot; I forget) because of the perceived loss of specialness by the other pregnant teenager. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/137 "2015-12-10T21:46:48Z")
> [@Dumbguy](#): > > Nora is one of my favorite characters on TV, and Carrie Coon is awesome. The scene where the family is confessing their weird secrets, and she ends with “I pay hookers to shoot me.” is so fucking good. I agree. The Nora-centered episode in Season 1–where she is at the convention at the hotel–was easily my favorite and it’s where the show turned the corner for me from “maybe I’ll keep watching” to “must watch on Sunday night.” ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/138 "2015-12-11T03:32:59Z")
Great news! [‘The Leftovers’ renewed for third and final season by HBO.](http://deadline.com/2015/12/the-leftovers-renewed-season-3-final-hbo-1201664741/) ---
**Author:** ![Dumbguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dumbguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dumbguy)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/139 "2015-12-11T03:38:07Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > In season 1, we were shown that it’s not important or special or “The” baby; Wayne had stashed a bunch of pregnant teenagers around town. Tommy even had to give some of his money to another “couple,” which almost got him shot (or maybe he did get shot; I forget) because of the perceived loss of specialness by the other pregnant teenager. Maybe, but Wayne did actually seem to be able to hug people’s pain away and did know when he was going to die, so to me it still seemed possible that the babies meant something. Maybe I’m misreading that, but when the woman came back for the baby after Nora told her to fuck off, it seemed like it was more than a random junkie snatch. [QUOTE=Tangent] The Nora-centered episode in Season 1–where she is at the convention at the hotel–was easily my favorite and it’s where the show turned the corner for me. [/quote] Now that you mention it I think that’s probably where I got hooked too. I felt like after that episode it started to shift from being Kevin’s show to Nora’s show. ---
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865/140 "2015-12-11T03:55:16Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > That’s the $64,000 question. The ratings for Season 2 have been in the toilet, but HBO has the luxury of not caring terribly much about ratings if a show is critically acclaimed - and The Leftovers Season 2 has been that most definitely. HBO is the type of network that may keep the show around because it may win a few Golden Globes and Emmy’s. They announced it today, actually, and I’m thrilled. Forgive me for not linking, but I’m on my phone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-leftovers-season-2/733865.md?page=8)