# The legacy of "The Times Square Kissing Sailor"

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Tags:** photo\
**Created:** [August 15, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-legacy-of-the-times-square-kissing-sailor/631527 "2012-08-15T03:40:29Z")\
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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-legacy-of-the-times-square-kissing-sailor/631527/21 "2024-03-07T20:06:48Z")

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> [@Slithy\_Tove](#):
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> It’s not “woke.”

Merriam Webster says,

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> 1 a **:** aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues

Seems to fit to me.

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**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-legacy-of-the-times-square-kissing-sailor/631527/22 "2024-03-07T22:10:17Z")

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M-W also has:

1. disapproving politically liberal or progressive (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme

And that “consideration” is often no more than a right-wing snarl-word. And the “awareness” in definition 1. is often no more than self-righteous noise. An appointed VA official had to weigh taking the picture down vs keeping it up, based on the relative power of elected officials on opposing sides of the “woke” spectrum.

But the abysmal quality of care received by veterans? All three officials seem unified about that issue.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-legacy-of-the-times-square-kissing-sailor/631527/23 "2024-03-07T22:16:03Z")

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Taking the picture down was woke, and that’s a good thing.

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**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\
**Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-legacy-of-the-times-square-kissing-sailor/631527/24 "2024-03-09T02:35:05Z")

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> [@Dangerosa](#):
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> If you read the WaPo piece above, you’ll see that following the close of the war, this behavior was fairly common, and was tolerated due to what our “brave young boys” had been through. But tolerated for a few days at the end of the war isn’t the same as “not regularly condemned.”

There were instances where [a whole lot more was “tolerated.”](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Peace-Riots-left-trail-of-death-at-end-of-6445437.php)

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> a three-night orgy of vandalism, looting, assault, robbery, rape and murder. By the time the “Peace Riots” burned themselves out on Friday morning, 13 people were dead, at least six women had been raped, 1,059 people were injured…
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> …No officials, civilian or military, were ever punished or even reprimanded. A grand jury investigation was a farce. The city simply tried to pretend the riots never happened.

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**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-legacy-of-the-times-square-kissing-sailor/631527/25 "2024-03-10T01:13:05Z")

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[quote=“garygnu, post:24, topic:631527”]  
There were instances where [a whole lot more was “tolerated.”](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Peace-Riots-left-trail-of-death-at-end-of-6445437.php)  
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Though probably to a much lesser extent, Halifax underwent a similar experience:

> **[Halifax riot](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_riot)**
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> The Halifax VE-Day riots, 7–8 May 1945, in Halifax and Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, began as a celebration of the World War II victory in Europe. This rapidly evolved into a rampage by several thousand servicemen, merchant seamen, and civilians, who looted the City of Halifax. Although a subsequent Royal Commission chaired by Justice Roy Kellock blamed lax naval authority and specifically Rear-Admiral Leonard W. Murray, it is generally accepted that the underlying causes were a combination of burea...

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