# The lethal dose l.s.d. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 22, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359 "2014-11-22T20:05:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/21 "2014-11-22T22:22:28Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > No you didn’t. > [LSD - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Dosage) Hey man what exactly did I not do? ---
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/22 "2014-11-22T22:31:15Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > But you saw the autopsy report? No I never saw the autopsy report. I checked up on him and talked to the hospital. What they reported was cardiac arrest and occlusion of the arteries. I never told them anything about any drugs I just called them up and told them what I saw after he had taken his acid. I never saw the physical paper report or anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/23 "2014-11-22T22:38:19Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > I am that type of guy that watches people o.d. You don’t have many friends, do you? ---
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/24 "2014-11-22T22:42:55Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > You don’t have many friends, do you? I guess not as many I should… ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/25 "2014-11-22T22:46:35Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > I didn’t care what he thought. He wasn’t even a friend f mine. I liked doing acid at the time but I did not want to do his acid. And I didn’t do any his acid. Curiosity got a hold of me and I just had to watch. He sat there just dumping v i l e s into his mouth. His head started spewing green liquid. All this clear liquid started pouring out his nose. I’m just standing there with my beer in my hand with my mouth wide open in disbelief. His body went into convulsions I could hear his rib cage breaking. So he was there on the floor with veins coming out his head green liquid coming out those dark blue veins and clear liquid coming out his nose. His eyes were blood red. And I just watched him die. Honestly I did not have much remorse for the guy. But I eventually called the paramedics. So, if you didn’t do his acid, how do you know it was LSD, pure LSD, and not, say, antifreeze? Mushrooms and LSD will certainly show up on a tox screen \*if \*you use a tox screen that includes mushrooms and LSD. Most basic ER tox screens don’t, because no one in the ER generally gives a shit if you’ve been taking mushrooms or LSD. They don’t have a whole lot to do with your medical condition, except as a way to explain nausea, in the case of mushrooms. If you go into the ER, they’re going to have you long enough to determine if you’re acting weird because you’re tripping or if you’re acting weird because you’re crazy, even if you don’t tell them you’ve been taking mushrooms or LSD. They’re not interested in busting you, they’re interested in what you might have in you that could be harming your health right then, or could put you in danger if they give you medications. The “12 Panel” urine screen is often used in the ER, and that tests for: Amphetamines (including Methamphetamine) Barbiturates Benzodiazepines Buprenorphine Cannabinoids (THC) Cocaine Methadone Methaqualone Opioids (Codeine, Morphine, Heroin, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc.) Phencyclidine (PCP) Propoxyphene Synthetic cannabinoids (K2, Spice) \<—This one’s pretty new; if your hospital is still using tests from a couple of years ago, it may not have this one Tricyclic antidepressants So…yeah, I’m not surprised that they didn’t find any LSD or mushrooms in your system with a blood test. Because they probably didn’t look for them. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/26 "2014-11-22T22:54:08Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > Hey man what exactly did I not do? You didn’t see someone OD on LSD. You’ve since even stated that you have zero proof that he OD’d on LSD you you might as well stop trying to say that he did. You said you’ve read other reports of it. If it’s this common why are there no official reports of it? ---
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/27 "2014-11-22T23:00:42Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > So, if you didn’t do his acid, how do you know it was LSD, pure LSD, and not, say, antifreeze? > > Mushrooms and LSD will certainly show up on a tox screen \*if \*you use a tox screen that includes mushrooms and LSD. Most basic ER tox screens don’t, because no one in the ER generally gives a shit if you’ve been taking mushrooms or LSD. They don’t have a whole lot to do with your medical condition, except as a way to explain nausea, in the case of mushrooms. If you go into the ER, they’re going to have you long enough to determine if you’re acting weird because you’re tripping or if you’re acting weird because you’re crazy, even if you don’t tell them you’ve been taking mushrooms or LSD. They’re not interested in busting you, they’re interested in what you might have in you that could be harming your health right then, or could put you in danger if they give you medications. > > The “12 Panel” urine screen is often used in the ER, and that tests for: > > Amphetamines (including Methamphetamine) > Barbiturates > Benzodiazepines > Buprenorphine > Cannabinoids (THC) > Cocaine > Methadone > Methaqualone > Opioids (Codeine, Morphine, Heroin, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc.) > Phencyclidine (PCP) > Propoxyphene > Synthetic cannabinoids (K2, Spice) \<—This one’s pretty new; if your hospital is still using tests from a couple of years ago, it may not have this one > Tricyclic antidepressants > > So…yeah, I’m not surprised that they didn’t find any LSD or mushrooms in your system with a blood test. Because they probably didn’t look for them. Oh okay How do I know it was LSD? Aside from the fact that he told me it was LSD. It had a sweet aroma after a while very similar to that of the acid I have had since then. It was liquid and he had several v I l e s of it. ---
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/28 "2014-11-22T23:07:34Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > You didn’t see someone OD on LSD. > > You’ve since even stated that you have zero proof that he OD’d on LSD you you might as well stop trying to say that he did. > > You said you’ve read other reports of it. If it’s this common why are there no official reports of it? I pretty sure I know what large amounts of LSD looks and smells like. It smells like lye. I don’t have any hard evidence for you. It has a very sweet aroma I can only describe it as a sweet ethylated aroma with a lye tinge to it. If its a common thing then why are there no reports of it? As far as I can see that reason would be due to it metabolizing in the to point of where it is untraceable. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/29 "2014-11-22T23:08:36Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > Oh okay > > How do I know it was LSD? Aside from the fact that he told me it was LSD. It had a sweet aroma after a while very similar to that of the acid I have had since then. It was liquid and he had several v I l e s of it. You \*don’t \*know it was LSD. That’s my point. You’re assuming it was LSD. He may also have been assuming it was LSD. But it probably wasn’t, or it was LSD mixed with something else. That’s a \*lot \*more likely than you being the only person on earth to ever observe someone overdosing on LSD taken by mouth. ---
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/30 "2014-11-22T23:15:09Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > You didn’t see someone OD on LSD. > > You’ve since even stated that you have zero proof that he OD’d on LSD you you might as well stop trying to say that he did. > > You said you’ve read other reports of it. If it’s this common why are there no official reports of it? Oh no! You’re from Milwaukee Wisconsin? Hahahah oh no! No wonder you are so avid to tell me to stop talking about this. Are you like in the dead family? I hear Wisconsin is like the place where people claim dominion over LSD. That makes perfect sense. Dead family is joke man. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/31 "2014-11-22T23:17:20Z")
Are you by chance currently tripping? ---
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/32 "2014-11-22T23:19:49Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > You \*don’t \*know it was LSD. That’s my point. You’re assuming it was LSD. He may also have been assuming it was LSD. But it probably wasn’t, or it was LSD mixed with something else. That’s a \*lot \*more likely than you being the only person on earth to ever observe someone overdosing on LSD taken by mouth. The only person? If that is the case maybe I should stop talking about this. I have dealt with large amounts of LSD it has an aroma that I am familiar with. I have heard of people dying from over doses. ---
**Author:** ![Leoj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/58956e/32.png) [@Leoj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leoj)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/33 "2014-11-22T23:20:48Z")
Of course you can OD on acid. Don’t you guys watch [_Dragnet_?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBPWwxOKwQ) ---
**Author:** ![bahttothefuture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@bahttothefuture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahttothefuture)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/34 "2014-11-22T23:29:53Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Are you by chance currently tripping? No but something I know about Chicago is that a lot rich old white women buy a lot acid. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/35 "2014-11-22T23:31:26Z")
BTW, pure LSD is a colorless, odorless, tasteless solid. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/36 "2014-11-22T23:43:45Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > The only person? If that is the case maybe I should stop talking about this. I have dealt with large amounts of LSD it has an aroma that I am familiar with. I have heard of people dying from over doses. But that’s exactly what started the discussion here. There are no reports of people dying of LSD (by mouth. There’s one or two that shot it up like heroin, and they died; even those stories are kind of fuzzy on the reliability scale.) That’s why we’re sounding like we don’t believe you. Because it’s literally not been reported by a person who had any evidence to back their story up. > [@bahttothefuture](#): > > No but something I know about Chicago is that a lot rich old white women buy a lot acid. Damn, I’m not rich. I’ll have to work on that. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > BTW, pure LSD is a colorless, odorless, tasteless solid. And there’s that, too. 😃 I forgot about that. So we can be confident that something that smelled sweet, or of lye, was definitely not pure LSD. It was mixed with something. The question is, what was that something, and what is that something(s)'s LD50? 'Cause I’m going to bet it’s less than that of LSD, and may have contributed to his heart stopping. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/37 "2014-11-22T23:48:14Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > I have dealt with large amounts of LSD it has an aroma that I am familiar with. You can smell it? Jesus, what’s your guy cutting it with, since fumes off 80 mikes of acid is (calculating) barely enough for a cocker spaniel to smell. You need a new dealer because I think this one is trying to kill you. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/38 "2014-11-23T00:11:12Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > You need a new dealer because I think this one is trying to kill you. It sounds like he’s succeeding. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2014, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/39 "2014-11-23T00:13:14Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > Oh no! You’re from Milwaukee Wisconsin? Hahahah oh no! No wonder you are so avid to tell me to stop talking about this. Are you like in the dead family? I hear Wisconsin is like the place where people claim dominion over LSD. That makes perfect sense. Dead family is joke man. I, literally, have no idea what you’re taking about. Besides, I didn’t say your friend didn’t take it, I said he didn’t OD on it. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359/40 "2014-11-23T02:08:36Z")
> [@bahttothefuture](#): > > Well yeah this is a personal experience that I had. I don’t have the records for that instance were the dude died. Im not even trying to give my own personal records. There is no hard evidence that I have to prove to you that what I am saying is true. But when your entire premise in your thread is based off said experience, and we don’t believe you, and you do nothing to try to make your point beyond that, there’s no thread. > [@](#): > > All I can say is I am that type of guy that watches people o.d. and I am the type of guy that tries to see if common hospitals have those capabilities. Contrary to the pop-culture zeitgeist, comparisons that make you look like Walter White are not good things. EDIT: > [@bahttothefuture](#): > > The only person? If that is the case maybe I should stop talking about this. I have dealt with large amounts of LSD it has an aroma that I am familiar with. I have heard of people dying from over doses. LSD is odorless. Whatever you’re smelling isn’t LSD. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lethal-dose-l-s-d/705359.md?page=3)