# The level of civil unrest we would see if Trump wins in 2020 in particularly galling fashion **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 20, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897 "2019-02-20T15:23:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/21 "2019-02-20T23:30:40Z")
There’d be quite a bit of violence, but from the right; not the left. It would be taken as confirmation that they are beyond all laws and restraints, and that the bigots have won forever. _Why not_ just rape any woman you can grab, or drive-by a black neighborhood, or burn down a synagogue when your guy is in the White House? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/22 "2019-02-20T23:31:28Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Amy Klobuchar could do it. Republicans like her or at least dislike her less than they dislike other Democrats. [CNN - Defeating Amy Klobuchar could give progressive Democrats a chance for real change](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/opinions/amy-klobuchar-town-hall-opinion-jill-filipovic/index.html) That Amy Klobuchar? She doesn’t seem too popular within her own party. ETA: I may not be who you were talking about, but I don’t dislike her less than I dislike other Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/23 "2019-02-21T08:25:02Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There’d be quite a bit of violence, but from the right; not the left. It would be taken as confirmation that they are beyond all laws and restraints, and that the bigots have won forever. _Why not_ just rape any woman you can grab, or drive-by a black neighborhood, or burn down a synagogue when your guy is in the White House? I also hear men in red hats will walk around with nooses and attack every gay actor they see. ---
**Author:** ![WildBlueYonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ce7236/32.png) [@WildBlueYonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildBlueYonder)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/24 "2019-02-21T11:42:30Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > As long as we’re talking about civil unrest, may I expand the subject a bit? > > I’m not at all worried about violence if Trump wins in the OP’s description of “a galling fashion”. > I’m more worried about if Trump_loses_…in any fashion. > No matter how legitimate the results, Trump will find it galling. > > He will declare that the election was rigged. And his base will believe it. > And they have 8 billion bullets. > > I would expect to see a couple of drive-by shootings at several Democratic headquarters, and a couple of large-scale shootings into crowds, in places where liberals are gathered.(maybe a college campus). Was there massive violence the first time around? I dont predict violence unless they (demo’s) shoot each other in murder suicide pacts “Everyone” claims elections are rigged. (Generalizing again) (I dont see where Mr President Trump is so bad at being in the office than any other president. Needs work in handling a few things including foreign policy but all in all, pretty good for not being in politics the way most of the other presidents have had-trying hard not to go off topic) ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/25 "2019-02-21T17:22:25Z")
If Trump beats Warren I can imagine her followers would want to go on the warpath. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/26 "2019-02-21T17:51:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There has already been a spate of violence and vandalism directed at Republicans. Remind me what the body count of that violence and vandalism is again? And the count on the other side? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/27 "2019-02-21T17:57:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Remind me what the body count of that violence and vandalism is again? > > And the count on the other side? As long as the nation has existed, the rule has been that\* anything \*the right does is automatically justified, and anything everyone else does is evil. If a white guy shoots up a black church that’s not “terrorism”, that’s a “disadvantaged white man expressing his anxiety”, and anyone who so much as complains about being shot is a traitor and oppressor. Or is lying about being shot and is a “paid crisis actor”. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/28 "2019-02-21T17:59:34Z")
Let’s hope the scenario does not play out. If it did, there would certainly be some degree of unrest. Riots in the street, probably. I don’t know that it would give rise to a revolution. If the popular vote went say 55-45 one way and the one coming up short wins the Electoral College, then I think a revolution is a real possibility. We’d never see the EC disappear because the small states are not about to give up their disproportionate power. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/29 "2019-02-21T18:03:39Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Remind me what the body count of that violence and vandalism is again? > > And the count on the other side? The fact that James Hodgkinson was mostly incompetent in his assassination attempt does not provide me much comfort. YMMV. There are more potential Micah Xavier Johnsons out there on the Left. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/30 "2019-02-21T18:16:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The fact that James Hodgkinson was mostly incompetent in his assassination attempt does not provide me much comfort. YMMV. The fact that the lunatics on your side are more effective doesn’t provide me with much, either. Nor the fact that there’s so many more of them. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/31 "2019-02-21T18:24:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > It’s a safe bet I have more firearms than you do. And? You pop in from time to time to give misinformation about illegal AR15 conversions or stealth brag that you really must sell off this-or-that expensive antique gun. Since you can shoot only one at a time, how many you brag about having doesn’t win you the field today. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/32 "2019-02-21T18:26:11Z")
Not to threadshit but it’s clearly hard to contrive a set of circumstances where the left loses their nut, but not so hard for the magas. Trump loses. That’s it. Remember he primed his supporters to contest the outcome if he were to lose the first time and has advocated violence several times. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/33 "2019-02-21T18:30:19Z")
**Moderator Note** > [@Scumpup](#): > > And? You pop in from time to time to give misinformation about illegal AR15 conversions or stealth brag that you really must sell off this-or-that expensive antique gun. Since you can shoot only one at a time, how many you brag about having doesn’t win you the field today. I’ve already given instructions regarding that post and related posts to not sidetrack this thread. It’s your responsibility to read the thread before you post. If you want to take issue with a particular poster, this is neither the thread nor the forum in which to do so. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/34 "2019-02-21T18:35:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The fact that the lunatics on your side are more effective doesn’t provide me with much, either. Nor the fact that there’s so many more of them. Question for you: Do you concede that Micah Xavier Johnson’s killing spree was an example of (lethal) left-wing violence? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/35 "2019-02-21T18:43:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Question for you: Do you concede that Micah Xavier Johnson’s killing spree was an example of (lethal) left-wing violence? Sure. Do you concede that for every Micah Johnson, there’s ten Dylan Roofs? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/36 "2019-02-21T18:52:52Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Sure. Do you concede that for every Micah Johnson, there’s ten Dylan Roofs? I’m only aware of the one Dylan Roof. You alluded to body counts in an earlier post. I’m guessing there’s some source you’ve been reading for those. If so, what is it? ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/37 "2019-02-21T19:19:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Trying to cook up the most incendiary way in which Trump could win in 2020 and it would go something like this: > > Trump is going up against, say, Elizabeth Warren. Warren wins the popular vote by an utterly indisputable margin - 8%. But Trump ekes out a 270-268 victory in the Electoral College by carrying several swing states by Florida-like margins of only several dozen or hundred votes each. (Or perhaps, even, Warren wins the Electoral College narrowly, but one or a few electors are bribed into crossing the aisle to voting for Trump.) Meanwhile, there is widespread Russian interference, all sorts of hacking of voting machinery, millions of voters prevented from voting, and dirty shenanigans in hundreds of swing-state precincts. Subsequent investigations show \*\*\*proof \*\*\*that the election was rigged for Trump. Oh, and the 2020 election campaign was several months of nastiness and bile that makes 2016 look like a walk in the park in comparison. > > …In such a scenario, the anger would be several times hotter than what it was after Trump’s first win. What kind of civil unrest would we be looking at? It would surely be more intense than the after-election protesting in the streets that took place in November 2016. Would we be looking at widespread riots, bombs and Molotov cocktails, all kinds of physical fights between Trump supporters and opponents, probably multiple assassination attempts of Trump or others, National Guard having to be called up? My biggest fear for 2020 is that we have a repeat of what happened in the 2000 election where the results were still not clear the morning after Election Day. And the recount situation ended up in the courts. I think the way Al Gore handled himself afterwards showed a lot of grace and humility on his part(I say this as a Republican who voted for George W.); I don’t think if Donald Trump was in Al Gore’s place he would have handle it as well as Gore did. I imagine Trump would always believe he was cheated out of the Presidency and never conceded he was defeated honestly. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/38 "2019-02-21T19:37:32Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > … I imagine Trump would always believe he was cheated out of the Presidency and never conceded he was defeated honestly. There are still plenty of Democrats that believe their side was cheated out of the presidency in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/39 "2019-02-21T19:39:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Remind me what the body count of that violence and vandalism is again? > > And the count on the other side? Do we count that spree of cop killers we had over the past couple of years as left wing violence, since they were minorities specifically killing cops? The Dorners and what not. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897/40 "2019-02-21T19:40:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m only aware of the one Dylan Roof. You alluded to body counts in an earlier post. I’m guessing there’s some source you’ve been reading for those. If so, what is it? Mainstream news. Here’s some more names for you: James Alex Fields, Jr. James Harris Jackson Robert Deer Eric Frein Jerad and Amanda Miller Frazier Glenn Miller Wade Page Jerry and Joseph Lee That’s ten right-wing terrorists, just going back to 2010. And that’s ignoring all the terrorists whose attacks failed to kill anyone, like Cesar Sayoc, or who were foiled before they could start, like the recently arrested Christopher Paul Hasson. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-level-of-civil-unrest-we-would-see-if-trump-wins-in-2020-in-particularly-galling-fashion/829897.md?page=3)