# The Libertarian Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103 "2003-02-14T18:18:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kantalooppi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@Kantalooppi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kantalooppi)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/21 "2003-02-14T21:10:53Z")
Well, the whole “In 1950, housewives will blah blah blah” thingy is **really** starting to rub me the wrong way. Just… quit it, will you? ---
**Author:** ![TVAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c57346/32.png) [@TVAA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVAA)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/22 "2003-02-14T21:14:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Munch \* > **C’mon, xenophon41, Lib has _clearly_ claimed such [right here](http://www.google.com). What? You don’t see it? You must not be looking hard enough.** I’m not even sure which side you’re making fun of. At least this thread is intellectually stimulating! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/23 "2003-02-14T21:18:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kantalooppi \* > \*\*Well, the whole “In 1950, housewives will blah blah blah” thingy is **really** starting to rub me the wrong way. Just… quit it, will you? \*\* Wow. You had quite a long coma. Welcome back! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/24 "2003-02-14T21:34:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*He killed my neighbors cat, and tacked its skin to my front door.I _think_ it was him… \*\* I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but Brutus, while I tend to disagree with your politics and outlook on life, I’ve been meaning to say this for a while: Your location is absolutely genius. Also, this post had me ROFL. As to the subject at hand, I’m not one of Lib’s biggest fans, but there are worse people on the board, that’s for sure. He’s generally a pretty decent guy. Lay off till he says or does something that’s actually stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/25 "2003-02-14T21:55:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Vorlon Ambassador’s Aide \* > \*\* > It’s for everyone who’s more than a little annoyed at **Lib** ’s arrogance, superiority complex, and improper use/understanding of ‘logic’ to prove points. > > I suggest that we have a good-old-fashioned roast of dear, beloved Libertarian. > \*\* While I can’t honestly say that I think your criticisms of **Lib** are _completely_ unfair or inaccurate, I also can’t say that he really deseveres a roasting. Let’s face it, this board in general and GD in particular wouldn’t be the same without him. He’s a part of the neighborhood. The most I could fault him for would be an occasional tendency towards overemotional response, and who among us hasn’t been guilty of that? (Translation: I have been incredibly guilty of it myself.) Besides, it’s not like the guy’s mean-spirited or cruel, and I think that’s enough to earn anyone forgiveness for far worse sins. That running housewife gag did drag on a bit too long, though! ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/26 "2003-02-14T21:59:46Z")
I should add that was once highly prejudiced against political libertarians, not on strictly ideological grounds but because all the ones I’d ever met in real life were irresponsible, selfish losers with substance abuse problems. Really. So if for nothing else I must appreciate **Lib** for providing the counterexample I needed to help break myself of that prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/27 "2003-02-14T22:02:15Z")
You know, for someone whose username is the same as my political identification, me and **Lib** seem to get into it alot. He’s always on the “god” thing lately, and not so much on the “liberty” thing. Maybe it’s just the style of debates that have come off lately. However, **Lib** occasionally comes up with something pretty clever, that makes me reanalyze my opinions and look deeper into my contentions. He may come off cocky, but don’t we all? I mean, nobody ever held a belief they thought was wrong, we all have our reasons. Most of us bend over backwards to show that our beliefs can be changed, for fear of being labelled intransigent, but **Lib** just skips that part and tells it like he sees it. A little hedging here and there, a little switch to a new set of tracks once and awhile, but isn’t the evolution of our belief a good thing? Anyways, I may be sick of that “modal ontological proof” of his, and I think we’ve been down that road plenty of times by now, but he’s pretty OK when he’s not talking about that subject. I just wish I didn’t have to be the only outspoken _athiest_ libertarian on this board 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/28 "2003-02-14T22:33:15Z")
Well, you know, Rex, if you would help out in threads like [this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162603&perpage=50&pagenumber=1), I wouldn’t get gang raped so much and could spend more time on libertarianism and less time on theology. 😃 I hardly ever see you in the libertarianism debate threads. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/29 "2003-02-14T22:35:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Vorlon Ambassador’s Aide \* > \*\*At least this thread is intellectually stimulating! 🙂 \*\* no ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/30 "2003-02-14T22:44:44Z")
I would like to have expressed my views on this topic, but unfortunately this is not the appropriate forum for the kind of words I would like to use; my response may therefore be found [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?&threadid=163206). ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/31 "2003-02-14T23:24:35Z")
All I can say is that it’s about time someone took Libertarian to task for all his faults and foibles. As a poster in Great Debates I am never overzealous in defending my stance, and I am always and gracious and courteous. My logic is always pure and unassailable. The one thing I never ever do is talk down to people and act superior or arrogant no matter how stupid and ignorant elucida… err my opponent might be. Libertarian on the other hand does not match my perfection, often being testy or wrong and sometimes both. It is unsufferable to suggest that I as well as everybody else who always agrees with me should have to put up with this. Thank you for bringing this topic up, Vorlon. Faced now with the damning proof of his fallibility and false arrogance Libertarian will now know that he does not belong in the rarified intellectual air of us infallible and humble master debaters. Maybe he can spend more time in MPSIMS writing about his favorite pony until he attains his Doctorate, then he can go to Tibet, study under the Dalai Lhama until he attains humble enlightenment. At such a time it is possible that he may be ready to speak with the likes of you and me. I sincerely hope that Libertarian does not take this too hard and rip out his hair or pluck his eyes from his head in despair and shame. You and I Vorlon are not an easy standard to live up to. ---
**Author:** ![Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aslan_of_Narnia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/32 "2003-02-14T23:26:54Z")
What is a **Libertarian**? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/33 "2003-02-14T23:40:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > **…master debaters…** :😏: ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/34 "2003-02-14T23:41:06Z")
So, this is some odd hybrid between a very badly-implemented “let’s you and him fight!” attempt and a dysfunctional Valentine’s? Odd. Well, whatever works for you. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/35 "2003-02-14T23:47:59Z")
I like **Libertarian** and appreciate having him around. Admittedly, he isn’t always patient, and sometimes overly in love with the positions he takes, which I pointed out in another thread, but he’s a smart guy, knows a lot more about logic than I do (even though I still think there’s something wrong with that ontological proof) and I think he’s a real asset to the boards. I only regret I don’t know him personally (and I feel bad about what he did to **Brutus** ’s neighbor’s cat, but that’s another story. Besides, I guess it can be good to have a passionate person debating something. It reminds us just how powerful and engaging to the soul ideas can be. ---
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/36 "2003-02-14T23:53:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kantalooppi \* > \*\*Well, the whole “In 1950, housewives will blah blah blah” thingy is **really** starting to rub me the wrong way. Just… quit it, will you? \*\* Am I the only one who actually liked those comments? At least they were a bit more inventive than “when come back bring pie” and “my cat’s brath smells like cat food”. Did you just make those up, or were they from a list of science fiction ideas that didn’t come true or something like that? If they were, where can I find that list? ---
**Author:** ![Kantalooppi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@Kantalooppi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kantalooppi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/37 "2003-02-15T00:01:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Wow. You had quite a long coma. Welcome back! What, you already stopped it and I didn’t notice? Unfair person. ---
**Author:** ![Dryga\_Yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Dryga\_Yes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dryga_Yes)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/38 "2003-02-15T00:55:00Z")
I’m slightly annoyed by the fact that **Lib** will switch the topic of any debate - _any_ debate - to something involving coercion, modal logic, why God is Love or the inherent intellectual dishonesty of materialism. Or preferably several of the topics. But sheesh, this thread is just petty. Hmpf. ---
**Author:** ![TVAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c57346/32.png) [@TVAA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVAA)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/39 "2003-02-15T01:00:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*Libertarian on the other hand does not match my perfection, often being testy or wrong and sometimes both. It is unsufferable to suggest that I as well as everybody else who always agrees with me should have to put up with this. > \*\* I don’t think you used quite enough sarcasm. It needs to be more biting, with a ragged edge and some pithy puns if you can manage it. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103/40 "2003-02-15T01:10:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Vorlon Ambassador’s Aide \* > **It’s for everyone…** Somebody call Norris M[sup]c[/sup]Whirter! I think we may have a new world record for the smallest set of people ever to have been labelled ‘everyone’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-libertarian-thread/155103.md?page=3)