# The Lies of Michael Moore. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278 "2004-06-26T04:26:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/201 "2004-06-28T23:33:19Z")
Is **Liberal** off his meds again? Or is he merely substituting for **Airman Doors** today in the “doofus-bashing-\*Fahrenheit-9/11-without-seeing-it” role? ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/202 "2004-06-28T23:34:03Z")
Is it time for a **Lib** meltdown already? I didn’t get the memo, dammit… ---
**Author:** ![litost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@litost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/litost)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/203 "2004-06-28T23:53:18Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Is **Liberal** off his meds again? That is incredibly low and insensitive. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2004, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/204 "2004-06-28T23:57:30Z")
It’s the BBQ Pit, and I wasn’t in the mood to pull a Cheney. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/205 "2004-06-29T00:20:56Z")
It can be quite uncomfortable to be without one’s brain medicine. ---
**Author:** ![laigle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@laigle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/laigle)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/206 "2004-06-29T00:27:30Z")
Lib was on his meds at some point? I guess now that Milum’s gone he’s deicded there’s a power vacuum in the deranged fuckwit segment of the board. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/207 "2004-06-29T00:31:29Z")
I agree. Attacking **Lib’s** posts is one thing but cheap-shotting him abut his meds is uncalled for and insensitive. It’s no different than people attacking Michael Moore for his weight. It’s _ad hominem_, it’s unfair, it’s off-point and it’s counter to the philosophy of this board. ---
**Author:** ![litost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@litost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/litost)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/208 "2004-06-29T00:55:39Z")
Yes, it’s a low blow, cheap shot, if you will. But, now I realize it is distracting as well. It has nothing to do with his posts, which is what I am interested in. **rjung** , your cheap shot has nothing to do with it being in the BBQ Pit. I can’t expect an apology/retraction whatever as I am not **Liberal** , but I suspect you realize what you said was uncalled for. Now, back to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/209 "2004-06-29T01:04:21Z")
I agree about the “meds” comment being out of line – however, **Lib** has a history of severe meltdowns and other aberrant behavior which, considering the amount of time he spends in The Pit, is the cause of a lot of the foul and intolerable stench around here. Meds or no meds, the guy is a fucking asshole with a history of going off the deep end. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/210 "2004-06-29T01:19:49Z")
I’m reminded of an anecdote about Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb. (I hope I remember it correctly) It seems the Yankees were playing in Detroit against Ty Cob’s Tigers one day. At that time, there were rumors about Ruth possibly having some African-American ancestry mostly because of some facial features (thick lips, flat nose) which were perceived as being “negroid” by Ruth’s detractors. During the game, Ty Cobb and one or two of his teammates kept taunting Ruth from the field and in the dugout, calling him “nigger.” After the game, Ruth approached the Tigers bench, very upset and yelled at Cobb, “Look, I don’t mind you fellas calling me a prick and a cocksucker and all but could you lay off the personal stuff?” I say **Lib** an asshole if you want, (he can take it) but lay off the personal stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/211 "2004-06-29T01:33:05Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Is **Liberal** off his meds again? > > Or is he merely substituting for **Airman Doors** today in the “doofus-bashing-\*Fahrenheit-9/11-without-seeing-it” role? So what will you say when I watch it and still pan it into next week? Oh, and in case I hadn’t made my thoughts abundantly clear, you are a pure, unadulterated dickhead. I laid off of you for a while, figuring that you might have been right when you said that I had the problem with you. Nope. You have the problem. You insult long after the point was made or conceded, you question my motives at every turn, you’re a smug little bastard, and you make the most disgusting insinuations for no apparent reason. You are a despicable man. And that’s too bad, because as smart as you are you might actually have something to offer. Too bad you never do anything but act the dickhead. **Liberal** may have his moments where it seems like he’s flying off the handle, but who the fuck are you to make a comment like that? Maybe he _is_ off his meds. What fucking business is that of yours? I have had enough of you. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/212 "2004-06-29T02:02:10Z")
I think **rjung’s** comment was meant as a joke. A question though. Does **MsRobyn** really need your permission to go see the movie? Are y’all really not equals in your relationship? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/213 "2004-06-29T02:21:33Z")
**Liberal** , I can understand and respect your choice not to see the movie. But so far no one has been able to come up with _any_ lies or inaccuracies in the film. 1. In another thread, I was supported in my contention that Moore did not say that Saddam had never threatened any American. He said that Saddam had never threatened America. 2. Other claims of inaccuries have been addressed in this thread and dismissed. 3. You have demonstrated problems with understanding what was said in at least one of the reviews. 4. If you haven’t seen the movie, then you can’t “find” it to be anything – true, false, tacky, eloquent, biased, moving, entertaining, – whatever. You have no real opinion of your own. Your opinion is _not based on the film_ but on what others have said about it – liberals and conservatives alike. 5. In your need for this film to be inaccurate, you yourself have lost credibility. If you can verify that the film does indeed claim something that is not true, then by all means, go after it! _But at least double check to see what is actually in the film._ ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/214 "2004-06-29T02:26:25Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > So what will you say when I watch it and still pan it into next week? I’d say that you are showing yourself to have a firmly closed mind, which is almost as bad as denouncing it before seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/215 "2004-06-29T02:32:17Z")
> [@](#): > > **Reeder** : I think rjung’s comment was meant as a joke. Those of us who do take medications in order to have normally functioning brain chemistry don’t find anything humorous in mental illness. It is the constant ridicule that keeps some people from seeking the help they need for an illness that is too often terminal. Your understanding and **rjung’s** would be appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/216 "2004-06-29T02:35:27Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > I think **rjung’s** comment was meant as a joke. > > A question though. > > Does **MsRobyn** really need your permission to go see the movie? Are y’all really not equals in your relationship? I don’t need his permission, per se, but I do need him to babysit. Robin ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/217 "2004-06-29T03:00:23Z")
by **Lib** > [@](#): > > . If there is truth in half the material, then the material is half true. No, genius. This is what I wrote: > [@](#): > > If you find truth in a least half of the material, you won’t want to vote for Bush. Please note that I didn’t say “If you find the material to be half truthful, you won’t want to vote for Bush.” These are two entirely different statements. The fact that you have deliberately or inadvertantly misattributed the latter to me speaks loudly of your utter incompetence as a reasoned debator. Instead of realizing that there is no way you can argue effectively in this thread without first seeing the movie, you resort to pulling this kind of doo-doo out of your ass. And then you announce to the world that you don’t even plan on seeing the movie essentially because you are too smart, as if all of us who _have_ seen it before commenting critically are somehow less enlightened that you. You don’t know shit about F9/11. Either see it and then argue about it, or don’t see it and shut the hell up. We don’t care about your blissfully ignorant opinions. Keep reading all those articles and reports, like the ones that have propped you up in this thread. You can always count on the writers that lean closest to your ideology to tell you what to think, right? You don’t want to risk going to see the film yourself _before_ you slam it, because if you do that, good gollee there’s a small chance you might actually _learn_ something from that brain-washing Commie propagandist Michael Moore. We can’t have that now, can we? And **monstro** is correct: I am a woman. I’m also a registered independent. So does that make me a horse with zebra-like stripes? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/218 "2004-06-29T03:21:27Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > I’m also a registered independent. How does that work, exactly? In my state (IL) anyway, one registers to vote, not for a particular party. And since 'independent" isn’t even a party… ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/219 "2004-06-29T03:34:22Z")
In Massachusetts, they’re called Unenrolled voters, in the sense that they are not enrolled in any party but still registered. There usually is some fringe party calling itself Independent on the ballot, way way down–sometimes LaRouche uses that pseudonym. So perhaps in her state they call it Independent. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278/220 "2004-06-29T03:50:11Z")
Some states do have an independent box on the registration form. It is possible to be a registered independent, depending on the state. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lies-of-michael-moore/252278.md?page=12)