# The Lincoln Project **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 10, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550 "2020-05-10T20:51:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/81 "2020-07-17T14:02:20Z")
In 2016, I sincerely thought “grab them by the p$%#” was going to be the end of the campaign. Ever since then, I’ve lived in a world of disbelief. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/82 "2020-07-17T14:10:40Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > In 2016, I sincerely thought “grab them by the p$%#” was going to be the end of the campaign. I did, for anyone who respects others’ dignity. The problem, of course, is that too many people don’t. Hence the disbelief of the rest of us that so many of our supposed civilized nation care not about dignity or compassion or value for anything past their own crude self-interest. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/83 "2020-07-17T14:15:52Z")
It doesn’t help any that a large percentage of the people who don’t care about anything but their own self-interest are letting other people tell them what their self-interest is. “Keep gub’mint outta my Medicare!” etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mickyfinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@Mickyfinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickyfinn)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/84 "2020-07-17T14:18:42Z")
I also remember thinking “there are checks and balances so any president can’t do irreparable harm”. Naive, hey? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/85 "2020-07-17T20:28:09Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I did, for anyone who respects others’ dignity. The problem, of course, is that too many people don’t. Hence the disbelief of the rest of us that so many of our supposed civilized nation care not about dignity or compassion or value for anything past their own crude self-interest. in 2016 I learned a lot about my fellow Americans. Bad fucking news. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/86 "2020-07-20T03:08:02Z")
Lincoln Project’s newest video – July 19, 2020 about Trump’s Thugs in Portland. “This Is How It Starts” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gzHE_SY334o/maxresdefault.jpg "How It Starts") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzHE_SY334o) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/87 "2020-07-20T03:12:40Z")
I’ve been watching some of The Lincoln Project’s videos and boy, oh boy are they _brutal_. And deservedly so. And without exaggeration. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/88 "2020-07-20T03:24:06Z")
I think the “This is How It Starts” one loses something by the comic book styling and the tone of the narrator. It’s way too serious of a situation to make it come across as a movie trailer. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/89 "2020-07-20T03:29:41Z")
Remember these are primarily aimed at Trump. Get under his skin get him seething and watch the fireworks. I wonder if he can be goaded to the point of doing something on camera that _can’t_ be explained away. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/90 "2020-07-20T03:38:56Z")
You’re right. Sunshine, rainbows and unicorns would have gotten the point across _so_ much better. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/91 "2020-07-20T04:14:47Z")
WTF does that even mean? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/92 "2020-07-20T04:55:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Remember these are primarily aimed at Trump. Get under his skin get him seething and watch the fireworks. > I wonder if he can be goaded to the point of doing something on camera that _can’t_ be explained away. Some of them are definitely aimed at “an audience of one”. A notable example is “[Whispers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6d4TgO2NY)”, which is very explicitly addressed right at Trump. Others are aimed at defeating various Republican Senators who have been Trump’s enablers. There’s definitely one (or two?) [aimed at McConnell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXgCyKmunXM). There’s one aimed at [Susan Collins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgmXzmwaDhU). There’s one aimed at [Martha McSally](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJVDe_345oc). The most brutal of them all is “[Learn Their Names](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vZp3FAQZvU)”. Check that out if you haven’t seen it yet. ETA: And if you haven’t seen “[Fellow Traveler](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUBAAeuBpPQ)” yet, that is definitely a MUST SEE. These Lincoln Project guys aren’t messing around! (I think I may have mentioned this one already somewhere up-thread.) ---
**Author:** ![MN\_Maenad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MN\_Maenad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MN_Maenad)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/93 "2020-07-20T14:16:10Z")
I think the style is echoing “Watchmen”, which was a popular comic/graphic novel before becoming a movie, and the TV series is recent, also very popular, and deals heavily in topics like racism and police brutality. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/94 "2020-07-20T16:17:38Z")
While I like the general tone of the ads, it does trouble me that they’re playing fast and loose with the truth. The McConnell ad, for example, implies that his rise in wealth is directly related to his shenanagins in the Senate. When the truth is he inherited most of his wealth from his wife’s family. This gives the R’s cover for their sketchy relationship with true and false. To truly undo the damage the Trump admin has done to the truth, the “good guys” shouldn’t be furthering the newspeak agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/95 "2020-07-20T16:41:58Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > This gives the R’s cover for their sketchy relationship with true and false. Lincoln Project is Republicans so it all checks out. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/96 "2020-07-20T20:35:44Z")
“Does the Lincoln Project have a secret agenda? The answer is surprising.” > **[Opinion | Does the Lincoln Project have a secret agenda? The answer is...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/20/does-lincoln-project-have-secret-agenda-answer-is-surprising/)** > > An interview with one of the anti-Trump group's founders. Washington Post op-ed, July 20, 2020. Columnist Greg Sargent interviews project founder John Weaver to find out what their agenda really is. TL;DR, as I got it: They’re certainly not intending to be RINOs or converts to liberalism. Weaver’s description positions them as being somewhat progressive, certainly compared to today’s Republican party. Their ideal plan, apparently, is to boost a Biden administration enough to force an internal reckoning within the Republican party, leading to a renunciation of all things Trumpism. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/97 "2020-07-20T20:37:00Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > leading to a renunciation of all things Trumpism. Is that what everyone wants? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/98 "2020-07-20T20:44:26Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Senegoid](#): > > > > leading to a renunciation of all things Trumpism. > > Is that what everyone wants?. Well, as I understood the article, it seems to be what Weaver is saying the Lincoln Project wants. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/99 "2020-07-20T20:53:40Z")
Wicked anti-Trump ads, an endosement of Biden… Ah, for now I’ll welcome it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550/100 "2020-07-20T20:56:36Z")
[quote=“Senegoid, post:98, topic:853550, full:true”] > [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Senegoid](#): > > > > > leading to a renunciation of all things Trumpism. > > > [/quote] > > > > > > Is that what everyone wants?. > > Well, as I understood the article, it seems to be what Weaver is saying the Lincoln Project wants. Yes, but someone characterized that as “surprising” and a “secret agenda.” There’s nothing surprising about it at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lincoln-project/853550.md?page=6)