# The Littlest Groom **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 17, 2004, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608 "2004-02-17T04:20:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/21 "2004-02-17T21:05:06Z")
Yep, but that usage of midget is archaic now. It bothers some people more than others, but it’s better to avoid it unless you know it’s okay with whoever you’re talking to (or about!). The hormone deficiency that created the classic midget is easily treated these days, so you just don’t see many of those people anymore. (There are other medical conditions that can affect growth, of course.) I’ll admit I haven’t any experience with dwarf male genitalia, but I’m guessing there’s not much of a difference, if any. Somebody with achondroplasia has short arms and legs (which can create a whole host of medical problems) but I’ve never heard anything about penis size being affected. ---
**Author:** ![Monkeypants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Monkeypants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkeypants)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/22 "2004-02-17T21:08:06Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > . . . it’s not germaine to the topic of this thread . . . [http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005LZWS.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg](http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005LZWS.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/23 "2004-02-17T21:29:20Z")
> [@«Ðëëp¤F®ïêd»™](#): > > Yes I do think he is “hung” like an average male. The assumption that he is not is ignorant. Little people have normal genetailia. Well, I haven’t done any research on the topic, but it stands to reason that the body parts are going to be consistent. If he’s small all over, I thought it made sense that his penis would be proportionate to that. My mistake. It wasn’t meant as an insult. Do many little people date average sized people? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/24 "2004-02-17T21:30:16Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I didn’t see the fist episode 😕 :eek: ---
**Author:** ![\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/7cd45c/32.png) [@\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Deep_F_ied)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/25 "2004-02-17T21:42:05Z")
By definition a little persons’ “parts” are different in size. They have deformities to their limbs and sometimes spine. A penis is not a limb. They have normal organs such as heart and lungs and genitalia. Sorry if I seemed abrupt. It just seemed a strangely ill-informed assumption to me from such a usually stellar poster. 😃 By the way I enjoyed the show and found the “twist” a little cruel to throw the average women straight from first greet to prancing in the hot-tub with skimpy bikini’s on…I mean the little women only went golfing?!? ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/26 "2004-02-17T22:18:48Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > Well, I haven’t done any research on the topic, but it stands to reason that the body parts are going to be consistent. If he’s small all over, I thought it made sense that his penis would be proportionate to that. > > My mistake. It wasn’t meant as an insult. Do many little people date average sized people? I would assume people with pituitary problems to have genitals that are proprtionate to their bodies, but that doesn’t apply to people with achondroplasia, or any of the other conditions that cause short limbs. If you look at the guy on the show, his torso isn’t extra-small, it’s just his arms and legs are way shorter. And yes, they do date average people. A) Dwarfs are thinly scattered throughout the population. There aren’t that many of us. I’m 4’2" because of a condition entirely unrelated to the one the guy the show has, and I can count the number of dwarfs I’ve met outside of LPA circles on one hand. And there are far more people who are not in LPA than who are, for all sorts of reasons. Maybe 10% of the eligible population in the country are in it, or so I read somewhere. I’m not active in it right now, though I was for a couple of years. When you are the only dwarf you know, you either date taller people or you don’t date at all. B) Based on the assumption that you almost never meet another dwarf, let alone find the few you meet attractive, how silly would it be for you to refuse to date taller people? I know several couples of mixed heights, one with a nearly three-foot difference! It would seem to me to be incredibly unbelievably limiting. I’m not going to grab the first 4’5" guy I meet because he’s 4’5" any more than I’m going to tell him to leave me the #\*%@ alone only because he’s 4’5". ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/27 "2004-02-17T22:22:44Z")
> [@«Ðëëp¤F®ïêd»™](#): > > A penis is not a limb. Speak for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/7cd45c/32.png) [@\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Deep_F_ied)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/28 "2004-02-17T23:02:12Z")
> [@Bruce\_Daddy](#): > > Speak for yourself. I knew that was coming…I just knew it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2004, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/29 "2004-02-18T05:25:56Z")
> [@Monkeypants](#): > > [http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005LZWS.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg](http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005LZWS.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) I didn’t know Jermaine Jackson was a dwarf…hmm. (Maybe that’s why his brother is so crazy about little people.) ---
**Author:** ![Necro\_Romancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Necro\_Romancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necro_Romancer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/30 "2004-02-18T05:50:03Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > …I merely asked why it was creepy. There’s nothing in your post to suggest WHY you find it creepy, so a reader is forced to conclude that it’s “creepy” because it involves (a) midgets and (b) sex. No, I have a problem with exploitation. In fact, I _love_ midget sex. > [@skutir](#): > > However, I did not want to make that conclusion, so I asked a direct question. If you don’t want people even ASKING for fucking CLARITY, then post more than ten words in your OP and explain yourself upfront. Alright. > [@skutir](#): > > Why is it creepy? Short people want to fall in love and get married. BFD. Your post carried a lot of assumption with it. Also, you don’t have to respond to my comments. I just wanted to know what others thought of the show, not necessarily the morality of it. I could give a shit what you think of my feelings, friend. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/31 "2004-02-18T07:11:28Z")
> [@whiterabbit](#): > > “Midget” is considered rude largely because it comes straight from the freak show tradition in the late 1800s. I don’t think too many people are offended by “dwarf.” I don’t like “little person” either, but it’s at least a small step up from “midget.” I take it that “hobbit,” “pixie,” and “munchkin” aren’t terribly well-received either? (Particularly “munchkin.” To a role-playing gamer’s mind, this term dredges up images of experience-point-hungry death machines bulging with gems and swords.) ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2004, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/32 "2004-02-18T13:35:52Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > I take it that “hobbit,” “pixie,” and “munchkin” aren’t terribly well-received either? > > (Particularly “munchkin.” To a role-playing gamer’s mind, this term dredges up images of experience-point-hungry death machines bulging with gems and swords.) Um…no. Though fantasy dwarfs and hobbits are different anyway, and pixies are fairies. And if we’re talking fantasy, duh, they’re fine. Just don’t call your kid’s kindergarten teacher (yes, they do exist, and I’m going back to school to be one!) a hobbit. Please. Especially if they’re unfortunate enough to be saddled with the name Frodo. _g_ Though you have a different association for “munchkin” than I do! ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/33 "2004-02-18T18:11:51Z")
Heh. My exposure to “munchkindom” comes from such sources as [You Might Be a Munchkin If](http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/alex/rec.games.frp.dnd/Munchkins-2.txt) and [Real Men, Real Roleplayers, Loonies, and Munchkins](http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/ringrose/munchkin.html). (Not to mention the Steve Jackson Games collectible-card game [Munchkin](http://www.sjgames.com/munchkin/game/) and the associated [Munchkin RPG](http://www.rpgunited.com/product/munchkin/sjg3401.html).) ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/34 "2004-02-24T16:30:53Z")
Well, last night they showed the Series Finale – though I don’t see how they can call it a “finale,” or even a “series,” when there are only two episodes total. When the little groom guy picked what’s-her-face at the end, they tried to play it up with all sorts of mushy romantic music in the background, but the whole time I was just hearing what that other lady said about the winner “being in it to win” and not being romantically interested in the guy at all. And this made it worse: “This enormous diamond solitaire ring – from **Diamonds Dot Com** , did we mention it’s from Diamonds Dot Com? – this ring isn’t an engagement ring or even a promise ring. It’s just a friendship doodad, so we’ll put it on your right hand where it has no meaning at all. C’mere and give me a big romantic Teepee hug.” Littlest **“Groom”** , my patootie! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/35 "2004-02-25T05:38:03Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Well, last night they showed the Series Finale – though I don’t see how they can call it a “finale,” or even a “series,” when there are only two episodes total. > > When the little groom guy picked what’s-her-face at the end, they tried to play it up with all sorts of mushy romantic music in the background, but the whole time I was just hearing what that other lady said about the winner “being in it to win” and not being romantically interested in the guy at all. > > And this made it worse: “This enormous diamond solitaire ring – from **Diamonds Dot Com** , did we mention it’s from Diamonds Dot Com? – this ring isn’t an engagement ring or even a promise ring. It’s just a friendship doodad, so we’ll put it on your right hand where it has no meaning at all. C’mere and give me a big romantic Teepee hug.” > > Littlest **“Groom”** , my patootie! The show was very strange. I got the feeling that it was supposed to be several shows but the producers were worried about too much flack so cut it down to two. Really a very uninteresting show and it had several cringe-worthy moments. As for the ring, I’ll be his friend for a ring like that. ---
**Author:** ![MamaHen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c89c15/32.png) [@MamaHen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MamaHen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/36 "2004-02-25T16:17:24Z")
I watched both of the shows and the thing that bothered me the most was the fact that the host was obviously uncomfortable with the “groom”. The first episode after he shook her hand the first time she rubbed her hands together then she’d try to not touch him. She’s pull her hands away from him so she didn’t have to touch him. At the end of the second episode she did the hand rubbing again after he kissed her hand. I liked the show mostly because it does show that we are all alike, no matter what we look like. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/37 "2004-02-25T17:05:09Z")
Howard Stern had a dwarf on his show who was a mean, depressed little fucker. And I think he was a bad drunk. I think they found a hooker for him. I also think I heard that he died. Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/38 "2004-02-25T17:06:17Z")
Oops. Forgot to add that he dropped trou and everyone looked at his “limb”. I believe he was rather well-endowed. ---
**Author:** ![\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/7cd45c/32.png) [@\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Deep_F_ied)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/39 "2004-02-25T18:05:54Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > Howard Stern had a dwarf on his show who was a mean, depressed little fucker. And I think he was a bad drunk. I think they found a hooker for him. > > I also think I heard that he died. Anyone? Yep, Hank “The Angry Drunken Dwarf” Nasiff. Actually his story is rather tragic. As far as I can remember he died of liver or kidney disease related to his drinking. [http://www.hankthedwarf.com/flash\_dynamic/frameset.html](http://www.hankthedwarf.com/flash_dynamic/frameset.html) P.S.- IMO the ending was smarmy and lame. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-littlest-groom/229608/40 "2004-02-25T18:36:57Z")
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