# The "Longest Election Campaign in Modern Canada" Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 2, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807 "2015-08-02T15:45:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/461 "2015-10-04T04:44:38Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > That’s a fair position and I understand it. My position is that we should have the option of kicking them out. In other words, you think other countries should take our criminals with the thinnest of excuses. “Hey, your parents were born in Pakistan. So even though you were born and spent your entire life in Canada as a citizen, we’ve decided you’re Pakistan’s problem now.” Sorry that’s not a fair postion. You are just wrong. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/462 "2015-10-04T04:53:26Z")
Would you like it if, for example, Lebanon had a simar rule and they started stripping Lebanese Canadian criminals of their Lebanese citizenships and started exporting them to Canada? ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/463 "2015-10-04T05:16:08Z")
I don’t think I’m wrong at all. I think a fair number of Canadians agree with me. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/464 "2015-10-04T05:18:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Would you like it if, for example, Lebanon had a simar rule and they started stripping Lebanese Canadian criminals of their Lebanese citizenships and started exporting them to Canada? If they committed terrorist acts or acts of treason against the government, sure. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/465 "2015-10-04T05:24:01Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I don’t think I’m wrong at all. I think a fair number of Canadians agree with me. I think, like you until yesterday, they don’t have a clue about the laws implications. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/466 "2015-10-04T05:47:29Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I think, like you until yesterday, they don’t have a clue about the laws implications. Do you plan on committing any terrorist activities against Canada? Do you know anyone who plans on committing any terrorist attacks against Canada? Do you want convicted terrorists living amongst us in Canada? I don’t see what the issue is. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/467 "2015-10-04T06:27:46Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I’m comfortable deporting people committing these types of heinous crimes. On an emotional level, I’d be comfortable throwing them to the sharks. But on the level of reasoned logic, I’m not comfortable undermining our most basic Constitutional principles. > [@Leaffan](#): > > Do you plan on committing any terrorist activities against Canada? > Do you know anyone who plans on committing any terrorist attacks against Canada? > Do you want convicted terrorists living amongst us in Canada? > > I don’t see what the issue is. That sounds an awful lot like “no one should have a problem with government surveillance, warrantless wiretaps, or – let’s go the whole nine yards here – Orwellian two-way TV in every home” unless they have plans to be a criminal. Do you have plans to be a criminal? No? Then I don’t see what the issue is. :rolleyes: Recall from previous posts that I’m pretty much a conservative-leaning hardliner on immigration issues. If I’m upset by this crap, I imagine pretty much everyone to the left of Harper’s jackbooted goons must be, too. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/468 "2015-10-04T12:42:11Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I can assure you with absolute certainty that I am the furthest thing from a bigot you could possibly imagine and I’m not going to keep repeating that because as I do you seem to take pleasure in suggesting that I am in fact a bigot. You don’t know me. Stop with the absolutely false allegations please. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It seems we simply are using different definitions of the word “bigot”. > > Yours seems to be along the lines of: > > “I’m not a bigot, I just think all Muslims are naquib-wearing terrorists, and should all be removed from the country.” > > Sort of a variation on the old “I’m not racist, I just don’t think black people should have the same rights as the rest of us” Both of you knock it off. Taking offense at “insults” that were never aimed at one is counterproductive to discussion. Replying to that unnecessary objection by going ahead and ascribing statements (or beliefs) to the poster who took offense, when that poster has made no such statements, simply makes the false inference into a true statement. Step away from the personal comments. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/469 "2015-10-04T12:58:36Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Do you plan on committing any terrorist activities against Canada? > Do you know anyone who plans on committing any terrorist attacks against Canada? > Do you want convicted terrorists living amongst us in Canada? > > I don’t see what the issue is. I said to you last page that "well it won’t happen to me " isn’t a valid defense of this bad law. It breaks the concept of citizenship and also expects other countries to accept our criminals. It’s just bad and your response is who gives a shit, I’m not a terrorist. I am not going to bother trying to convince you anymore and I really can’t respect your opinion on this matter. It’s thoughtless. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/470 "2015-10-04T16:14:33Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Do you plan on committing any terrorist activities against Canada? > Do you know anyone who plans on committing any terrorist attacks against Canada? > Do you want convicted terrorists living amongst us in Canada? > > I don’t see what the issue is. So what exactly is so pant wettingly scary about terrorism? How, materially, does it differ from organized crime or general violence? If it doesn’t, then I would image you’d be on board for stripping citizenship from all criminals. Of course not all criminals are immigrants, or second generation Canadians so I suppose you’re also fine with removing citizenship from any Canadian accused or convicted or a crime. Oh, and to keep consistency with how the Conservatives operate, you’re fine with ministerial discretion when it comes to determining who is nasty enough and not “Canadian” enough to deserve being exiled. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/471 "2015-10-04T21:19:19Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I doubt I’m the only Canadian to form opinions based on news stories. Who the fuck reads all the bills in their entirety put before parliament? No one. That’s who, unless you’re a lawyer, a member of parliament, or a senator directly involved with the legislation. I do, at least if the bill is something of interest to me personally or professionally. The Legisinfo section of the parl.gc.ca website provides the full text of all bills before Parliament including enacted ones, and also provides a TLDR legislative summary written by the Parliamentary research staff which explains the background, significant legal points, and expected impact of most bills. It’s worth looking at. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/472 "2015-10-04T21:44:47Z")
> [@Bookkeeper](#): > > I do, at least if the bill is something of interest to me personally or professionally. The Legisinfo section of the parl.gc.ca website provides the full text of all bills before Parliament including enacted ones, and also provides a TLDR legislative summary written by the Parliamentary research staff which explains the background, significant legal points, and expected impact of most bills. It’s worth looking at. Thanks. I’ll look into that. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/473 "2015-10-06T13:39:36Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I don’t think I’m wrong at all. I think a fair number of Canadians agree with me. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is not a document that is meant to be based on a popular vote. It exists and must exist whether you personally agree with it or not. Your approval is not necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/474 "2015-10-06T16:54:10Z")
I just watched the VICE interview of Justin Trudeau in which he’s pretty thoughtful about the plight of the indigenous people not having proper drinking water for over 10 years. How is that possible in this country? He also stated that it’s time for the young, the indigenous, the transgender, and others to get out and vote because Harper is fine if you don’t. That if you do not vote you are giving a vote for someone who does not share your interests and concerns. I thought Justin is doing well for someone who some media thought was just a gay Shiny Pony. (the just not ready guy) It feels like the Trudeau/Brazeau boxing match of a couple of years ago. It was 3-1 against Justin, until the match. Now Brazeau is the disgraced Conservative Senator and Trudeau? who knows come October 19. [Justin Trudeau -- Patrick Brazeau Charity Boxing Match -- English Coverage of Complete Fight - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuSpZ3_5pTc) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/475 "2015-10-06T17:08:25Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > I thought Justin is doing well for someone who some media thought was just a gay Shiny Pony. (the just not ready guy) Yeah, I’m calling the election for Trudeau. I’m still voting NDP, but I think at the end of the day, Mulcair’s a bit hamstrung by his balance-the-budget-at-all-costs and the racism card played in the French debates (excuse me: I mean the niqab [non-]issue). As front-runner, the niqab thing has hit Mulcair harder, and I really do think Trudeau’s economic plan is stronger. We’ll see, though. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/476 "2015-10-06T18:10:31Z")
Pity that Mulclair and Trudeau are not willing to unite the left at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/477 "2015-10-06T18:57:28Z")
[Vote Compass](https://votecompass.cbc.ca/home)is a very useful tool for anyone wondering how to vote this election. Essentially it is a series of questions, and you answer how you feel about the issue (Very strong for … very strong against) It then shows where you are on a grid, compared with the parties. Somewhat unsurprisingly, I was mid-way between Green and NDP. The interesting thing is how close most of the parties are together on the issues… with the notable exception of the Harper Conservatives, which show as a far right outlier. The left REALLY NEEDS to unite, in order to properly represent the 70% of the country who are all like-minded. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/478 "2015-10-06T19:14:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > [Vote Compass](https://votecompass.cbc.ca/home)is a very useful tool for anyone wondering how to vote this election. Essentially it is a series of questions, and you answer how you feel about the issue (Very strong for … very strong against) Though obviously I’m not voting, it’s got me down as virtually a three-way tie between the Greens, NDP, and Liberals, in that order. I may have skewed it by marking all the leaders as highly competent, even the ones I don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/479 "2015-10-06T21:33:55Z")
Conservative 95% NDP 75% Liberal 50% Green 40% I think Mulcair is very competent and would actually be a good Prime Minister. I just don’t agree with a lot of his policies. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807/480 "2015-10-06T22:48:08Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > [Vote Compass](https://votecompass.cbc.ca/home)is a very useful tool for anyone wondering how to vote this election. Essentially it is a series of questions, and you answer how you feel about the issue (Very strong for … very strong against) > > It then shows where you are on a grid, compared with the parties. Somewhat unsurprisingly, I was mid-way between Green and NDP. > > The interesting thing is how close most of the parties are together on the issues… with the notable exception of the Harper Conservatives, which show as a far right outlier. > > The left REALLY NEEDS to unite, in order to properly represent the 70% of the country who are all like-minded. When I did it, after I did the “weigh your results” feature … I have all three major parties as exactly equal! :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-longest-election-campaign-in-modern-canada-thread/726807.md?page=25)