# The Lord & Cameron **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2014, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397 "2014-04-18T06:33:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/1 "2014-04-18T06:33:54Z")
At first, this was slated for GD, but then it occurred to me that some healthy excoriation might be in order here. Apologies to the pit for the tepidness. > [@"\[The](#): > > ([David Cameron: I am evangelical about Christian faith | David Cameron | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/16/david-cameron-evangelical-about-christian-faith)) (abridged)"] > > David Cameron has declared himself an “evangelical” about his Christian faith as he criticised some non-believers for failing to grasp the role that religion can have in “helping people to have a moral code”. > > In his third effort this week to highlight his own strong faith, the prime minister said he wanted to see a bigger role for religion in Britain as a Christian country and urged fellow believers to be more confident in spreading their views. > > Cameron’s Easter message may be aimed at smoothing over relations as well as an attempt to woo Christians back from Ukip, after Nigel Farage said British politics needed a “more muscular defence of our Judaeo-Christian heritage”. > > The prime minister’s religious messages began last week with an Easter reception at Downing Street, at which he said religion had brought him his greatest moments of peace and claimed “Jesus invented the big society 2,000 years ago”. > > He also released a videoed Easter message for the country, in which he talked about the “countless acts of kindness carried out by those who believe in and follow Christ”. > > In a separate article for the Church Times, he argued that some atheists and agnostics did not understand that faith could be a “guide or a helpful prod in the right direction” towards morality. > > While acknowledging many non-believers have a moral code and some Christians do not, he added: "People who advocate some sort of secular neutrality fail to grasp the consequences of that neutrality, or the role that faith can play in helping people to have a moral code. > > “I believe we should be more confident about our status as a Christian country, more ambitious about expanding the role of faith-based organisations, and, frankly, more evangelical about a faith that compels us to get out there and make a difference to people’s lives.” > > “I am not one for doctrinal purity, and I don’t believe it is essential for evangelism about the church’s role in our society or its importance. It is important – and, as I have said, I would like it to do more, not less, in terms of action to improve our society and the education of our children.” By US standards, this guy is almost a commie. But really, if you need some Zombie Hebrew to tell you right from wrong, wrong is clearly where your head is at. If you need faith in a purple Unicorn to impel you to help the less fortunate, I have to say, underneath your beatific and kind countenance, you are a truly vile person. And the thought that you think this stuff is appropriate for children is just plain apauling. See, Jesus was this guy who said some stuff about how we ought to treat each other. But he never went beyond talking, because he was the guy sitting on the stolen donkey, not the guy in the big chair in the marble palace, the one who actually got the stuff done. As wise as he might have been, Jesus H. Christ never ran a country, balanced a budget or won an election, he was an outsider, traveling with a small band of hippies and thugs. This is not acceptable leadership material, and this is why we do not want anyone dragging him into the halls of power. So, yeah, pray all you want, and drink some nice blood this weekend, like a proper ghoul. But keep it in your church, we do not need your goddam “saviour” screwing up what he has no business fucking with. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/2 "2014-04-18T06:45:14Z")
I’m not at all comfortable with the level of your invective, but, in general, yes, I certainly agree that Cameron is going too far in trying to insert his religious faith into the apparatus of government. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/3 "2014-04-18T06:56:21Z")
Oh how cute. Another asshat bravely denouncing Jesus on the internet. I bet your mother is proud of you. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/4 "2014-04-18T07:49:05Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Oh how cute. Another asshat bravely denouncing Jesus on the internet. > I bet your mother is proud of you. Go hence and return not ere thou hast discovered reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/5 "2014-04-18T08:05:21Z")
Calling Jesus a zombie just before Easter. Nice. Fucking hell, can atheists even make a point without looking like prejudiced, hateful bastards? Truly, their rhetoric is more mindless than the rhetoric they rail against. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/6 "2014-04-18T09:32:55Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Calling Jesus a zombie just before Easter. Nice. Fucking hell, can atheists even make a point without looking like prejudiced, hateful bastards? Truly, their rhetoric is more mindless than the rhetoric they rail against. Yes, they can. Can you even make a point without looking like a prejudiced, hateful bastard? I mean, I’m sure you have in the past but I am choosing to ignore this in favor of characterizing this post as every single post you’ve ever made. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/7 "2014-04-18T09:33:42Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Calling Jesus a zombie just before Easter. Nice. Fucking hell, can atheists even make a point without looking like prejudiced, hateful bastards? Truly, their rhetoric is more mindless than the rhetoric they rail against. Now, now. No need to tar all atheists just on account of one rude little child. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/8 "2014-04-18T09:50:03Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Calling Jesus a zombie just before Easter. Nice. Seriously. Good Friday is only just starting. He’s not even dead yet. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/9 "2014-04-18T09:58:30Z")
Ah, now it all makes sense. When Jesus said the poor will always be with us, Cameron thought that was a commandment and hence current government policy. Seriously, if Cameron listened to Jesus he’d be so overcome with guilt he’d probably off himself. That won’t happen because Cameron is evil. Hopefully this will cost him votes. We don’t like people talking about religion in this country, and Blair’s claim that God told him to kill foreigners didn’t help. Then again I hoped that Blair’s “invisible people tell me to kill, and I do!” stuff might cost him votes, but it never did. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/10 "2014-04-18T11:06:27Z")
Well, Cameron won’t be subjected to a national vote - how Christianish is his riding or district or whatever the Brits call them? Personally, I find anyone who relies on mysticism as a moral guide is immature. I could buy that Cameron is only _saying_ he does, because, well… he’s a politician. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/11 "2014-04-18T11:17:03Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Ah, now it all makes sense. When Jesus said the poor will always be with us, Cameron thought that was a commandment and hence current government policy. Hey the last will be first, man. Gotta get cracking on creating a ton of lasts so Britain ends up chock full of firsts, it’ll be great. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/12 "2014-04-18T11:33:11Z")
“Ukip”? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/13 "2014-04-18T11:53:53Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > “Ukip”? University of Kentucky is (all)Powerful. Just imagine the uproar if Obama started yammering about how the U.S. is a “Christian country” and needs to do more to uphold the faith. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/14 "2014-04-18T11:58:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > “Ukip”? Indeed, why bother knowing about rising right wing political movements in places that aren’t America? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/15 "2014-04-18T12:00:29Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > Indeed, why bother knowing about rising right wing political movements in places that aren’t America? :rolleyes: Dafuq? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/16 "2014-04-18T12:08:39Z")
[UKIP](http://www.ukip.org/issues). The acronym stands for United Kingdom Independence Party, so based on that, the kind of people who think that every evil in the country is the fault of Brussels, or perhaps of the Lithuanian plumber who worked on their neighbor’s house last week; if he’d been a British plumber none of this would have happened. A look at the list confirms that yep, that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/17 "2014-04-18T15:32:33Z")
> [@For You](#): > > But really, if you need some Zombie Hebrew to tell you right from wrong, wrong is clearly where your head is at. If you need faith in a purple Unicorn to impel you to help the less fortunate, I have to say, underneath your beatific and kind countenance, you are a truly vile person. You fail to grasp the role that faith can play in helping people to have a moral code. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/18 "2014-04-18T15:59:07Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > You fail to grasp the role that faith can play in helping people to have a moral code. Then explain Westboro. What kind of moral code is that? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/19 "2014-04-18T16:17:19Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > You fail to grasp the role that faith can play in helping people to have a moral code. If you have a moral code to get magical rewards forever or to avoid getting punished for the remainder of Time, you have no \*moral \*code. What you have is metaphysical selfishness. Also a case of the idiots, but that’s beside the point. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397/20 "2014-04-18T16:23:21Z")
> [@For You](#): > > Then explain Westboro. What kind of moral code is that? Now, now. No need to tar all Christians just on account of a few rude little children, you retard. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lord-cameron/686397.md?page=2)