# The Lost Mafia Forbidden Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 11, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486 "2009-06-11T20:37:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/1 "2009-06-11T20:37:14Z")
**Do not post or read this thread if you are active in the game.** Spectate, speculate, suggest, and criticize away. I will be creating a spoiler thread for those who want to be fully spoiled, but right now I only have the scum board up and running. Give me a little time to get the other one going, as I am not yet out for the summer(I teach). Have fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/2 "2009-06-11T22:33:49Z")
Also, if you want to sub, let me know here. No actual spoiler lists go here; it’s just for spectators. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/3 "2009-06-12T00:59:07Z")
Subscribing. I’ll watch along unspoiled for a while. I’ll consider subbing later on if needed. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/4 "2009-06-12T01:06:10Z")
> [@Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/154): > > 1.) Innocent townies will honestly claim their names and, after much wiki and google searching, we will kill them because their characters’ are ambiguous on the show. This is a really bad reason to not mass claim. This argument is basically that the Town might make bad choices with the information they’re presented with. Well, if that happens then the problem is that the Town made a bad choice, not that the Town gained information. It’s always a good thing for Town to have more information. The balance to this is that some information is more valuable to scum then the Town. It’s the risk of giving important info to the scum that the Town should be wary of, not that the Town might make poor decisions based on the info they gain through a mass claim. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/5 "2009-06-12T01:16:16Z")
I’m just glad to see Meeko back in a game. I was worried with so many people saying bad things about him in The Crimson Glyph, he might get blacklisted. It doesn’t seem like you guys do that sort of thing. This means I might play with you guys if I ever feel I can handle a full-sized game. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/6 "2009-06-12T01:29:48Z")
> [@Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/158): > > On mass role claims: Seriously, has one of those _ever_ worked out for town? I’m only being 25% sarcastic here; I really would like to know. In the first instance I experienced, it was a closed game, nobody was town, and everybody lied. It was somewhat useful for other scum clans, but not so much for the Masons (this was the Not-so-Simpletown game). > > In the latest game, it was pretty much useless for town. Again, all the scum lied, and one scum did get caught out in his lie, but it came down to one person’s word against another, and the wrong person ended up lynched. Mass claims have won the game for Town in Conspiracy I and II, Batman and T2, and that’s just off of the top of my head. Scum likely would have won Apocalypse had the Godfather not made a critical mistake in his claim during the mass claim. YSI was designed so that the Town had to mass claim to have a chance. Now, the mass claims in Conspiracy, Batman and Apocalypse came towards the end of the game, T2 was a special case because it was an open game, and YSI was different from any other game we’ve ever played. Early in a game, it’s unlikely to help the Town, but a mass claim towards the end of the game is a necessary tactic. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/7 "2009-06-12T01:54:59Z")
> [@Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/163): > > Yes. In the [T2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=481372) game, the players took advantage of a flaw in the moderator’s setup to ensure them the win by mass claiming Day 2. However, the flaw came from the game being an open set-up, which this one is not. [For interested spectators, here is the post story made that laid out the reasons why a mass claim essentially ensured victory for the town](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10202923&postcount=616). FTR, I don’t blame pedescribe for the broken setup. It wasn’t until I saw that post from story that I understood that the mass claim would break the game. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/8 "2009-06-12T01:55:04Z")
Batman’s claim was on Day 3 of a 10 Day game. It wasn’t even midgame yet. And it nabbed us the Joker. Which ended up being a good thing for town. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/9 "2009-06-12T01:56:30Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Batman’s claim was on Day 3. > > And it nabbed us the Joker. Which ended up being a good thing for town. That was the name claim, which also helped Hal out Drain Gead. Town didn’t mass claim powers until Day 6 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/10 "2009-06-12T13:19:47Z")
Anyone here willing to sub right now? GuyIncognitto has not responded to confirm his role. I’m starting Day One at Noon today anyway, but I am looking to sub him out. I sent one PM to an interested player who missed the deadline, but I have no idea if he/she will respond. **Anyone want to join the game?** ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/11 "2009-06-12T13:41:33Z")
**GuyIncognitto** seem to still want to play, see [this post](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=temp&action=display&thread=964&page=2#48731) of his. I would give him a day. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/12 "2009-06-12T13:45:56Z")
OK, but he needs to confirm soon. That post was yesterday at 7:00 PM and I have sent him a few PMs regarding his role and confirming it. He has not posted in the game thread either. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/13 "2009-06-12T14:23:01Z")
I have a sub for Guy, which I will use in 1 1/2 hours(Noon). Please contact Guy if you know him and let him know his chances are slipping. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/14 "2009-06-12T20:36:44Z")
> [@Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/201): > > Please show your work: Near as I can figure, with an odd number of players, a successful Vig hit or Doctor block or the like puts us from dead on mislynch _n_ to 50-50 after mislynch _n_. **Mahaloth** has not told us (I don’t think) how a tie is handled, but it seems at least plausible to me that there’s a chance that a tie could go in favor of Town. Unless you know otherwise? Standard procedure is that scum win if there are as many scum as non-scum. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/15 "2009-06-12T20:37:07Z")
Hey everyone! I am digging the heck out of what I have seen so far. It’s been a long time since I watched a game unspoiled, I plan to stick around. Lot’s of new to me players in this one. Re: mass claims It has become my rallying cry in recent games that town plays things too close to the vest and that people being willing to claim sooner than they are can fequently break the game in favor of town. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/16 "2009-06-12T20:45:29Z")
By the way, PM me if you want to become fully spoiled and take a look at the spoiled thread, which I have now made elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/17 "2009-06-15T01:10:56Z")
posting to subscribe How many of you aren’t spoiled yet and think the game might get split open with a name claim? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/18 "2009-06-15T02:11:47Z")
I’m unspoiled. I don’t know enough about Lost to make any predictions about the possibilities of a mass claim. Hopefully, Mahaloth took the possibility of Mass Claim into account. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/19 "2009-06-15T02:23:34Z")
I think Meeko’s attempt to post less is not going to be very successful… If I’m scum, I’d be a little annoyed at the information the Mod is providing. Saying that you tried to align people up as closely as possible to their character seems benign, but it is a key piece of information for town. Remember that Mafia is a game of information vs numbers, so most general information is helpful to town and thus harmful to scum. As a townie it would be enough for me to push hard for a mass claim. I’d also be a bit suspicious of people who were vehemently against it. I’ll put my Day one vote on Imaginary Fiend. Beyond that there isn’t too much to discuss. One of the problem with simple games is Day 1’s are pretty repetitive. Everyone must state they dislike random votes even though no one is actually pushing for them. People want multi-person long vote lists? It is hard enough to find 1 person to vote for Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/20 "2009-06-15T02:29:33Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I’m unspoiled. I don’t know enough about Lost to make any predictions about the possibilities of a mass claim. Hopefully, Mahaloth took the possibility of Mass Claim into account. **No comment. 🙂** [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486.md?page=2)