# The Lost Mafia Forbidden Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 11, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486 "2009-06-11T20:37:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/101 "2009-06-24T15:46:56Z")
Scary thought: what if Meeko is the vig? ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/102 "2009-06-24T15:58:21Z")
That would be beautiful. Wasn’t there some game where a Vig who mistakenly targeted a townie had to off himself n shame? I thought that was perhaps the standard, and that maybe we _didn’t_ have a Vig on our hands. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/103 "2009-06-24T15:59:34Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Scary thought: what if Meeko is the vig? I want to add a detective role to my upcoming game. “You may ask the modrator one question per Day. The answer will be completely truthful and provided by Meeko” ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/104 "2009-06-24T16:28:14Z")
Well, I played like crap. Oh, well next time I’ll have to make sure I’m in a game that doesn’t have weekend Days. I’m thinking that Pede and Story are scum but I just didn’t have time to build a case against them. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/105 "2009-06-24T18:03:08Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > No, they’ll be diverted by either **storyteller** or **pedescribe** , is my guess. Pedescribe does look pretty skeevy, doesn’t he? I’ve been in denial, because anyone who can get Meeko going after him so hard can’t possibly be scum. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/106 "2009-06-24T19:55:31Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Wasn’t there some game where a Vig who mistakenly targeted a townie had to off himself n shame? I thought that was perhaps the standard, and that maybe we _didn’t_ have a Vig on our hands. Such Vigs existed in Conspiracy and T2. I believe that there was also such a Vig in Conspiracy II. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/107 "2009-06-24T22:49:48Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Such Vigs existed in Conspiracy and T2. I believe that there was also such a Vig in Conspiracy II. The worst I saw was in Alpha Centauri. The vig claimed to be remorseful, had to target themselves, and the Scum had a redirector. We had to waste a lynch on the Vig to prevent duplicate kills. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/108 "2009-06-24T23:38:23Z")
Ouch! I guess the mod didn’t consider that possibility… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/109 "2009-06-25T00:21:41Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Ouch! I guess the mod didn’t consider that possibility… What possibility? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/110 "2009-06-25T00:27:37Z")
The combination of an outed remorseful Vig and a scum redirector. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/111 "2009-06-25T00:45:58Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > The combination of an outed remorseful Vig and a scum redirector. Yes, that must have been…weird. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/112 "2009-06-27T04:09:15Z")
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water… > [@Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/965): > > How to expand on this is quite the WIFOM. Correct? > > I mean, if all of the townies do the SAME exact thing tonight, what are we looking at then? > > \*\* > What does NOT voting today do for town? \*\* > > If scum change something up tonight, wouldn’t we be able to deduce it? > > The way I see it, if we play this right, we as town can get some solid intel before Day 4 starts. > > Then again: > > 1. I am still noobish > 2. Regardless of what anyone else says, this IS WIFOM, or something similar. > 3. I am Meeko. In terms of understanding me, YMMV. Double vowels in your name might help, but not necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/113 "2009-07-01T17:46:41Z")
Why would an town investigator **Storyteller** reveal he was blocked? If it’s a town blocker maybe to get he to block someone else, but reveal he has an power? I doubt it. If it’s a scum blocker his earlier claim could be the reason he got blocked twice, but I doubt he would do it in the first place. The no-kill does suggest either a block or protect, so it is possible there is a scum blocker and a town doctor. **Imaginary Fiend** turning up town doesn’t help though. I think they are pretty close to LyLo, but haven’t followed it that closely. I wonder if **Meeko** runs anagrams on everyone’s posts :). –Advertisement– > [@](#): > > A series of deafening sounds explode out of the sky. The bombs go off like fire works, close enough that you can see the flames and smoke rise in the sky. If you listen closely you can hear faint screams of terror whispering in the wind. Nobody listens closely. Interested? Sign up for [Undying War](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=undyingwar) mafia, hosted by **Hawkeyeop**! There are still plenty spots available I think 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/114 "2009-07-01T18:53:04Z")
Oh fer cryin’ out loud. Am I crazy, or is it just screamingly obvious at this point that there’s something hinky with **storyteller** and **Chronos**? If there’s a Vig, I hope he chooses wisely tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/115 "2009-07-01T19:10:51Z")
I agree about Story but I think Chronos is town. For a Day with no night kills before and the lynching of a quiet townie the Day before no one was talking toDay. If they keep this up the town is hosed. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/116 "2009-07-02T16:33:01Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Insane Meeko Idea 1 : What if we don’t discuss anything for a day and just Vote? In this way, we wont talk people off of voting for X or Y, and in that way, Scum can’t continue their same plan of attack. – It can’t be any worse than what we are doing now anyway. > > Insane Meeko Idea 2 : What if we Vote tomorrow, for someone we have NEVER voted for yet this game? If we are that wrong with things, perhaps we should totally mix it up. Idea #1 is pretty horrible. I mean, isn’t that basically what happened this past Day? How is town supposed to learn anything if they don’t discuss? “Scum can’t continue their same plan of attack.” What plan? They’ll still night kill, and any lack of incriminating information for town will just benefit them. Idea #2 isn’t too terribly bad at first glance, but just because town has been wrong in its lynches so far doesn’t mean that there aren’t people out there with votes on their heads that aren’t valid. In fact, if all Others have been voted for at some point, this tactic could be very beneficial for them. Both ideas are pretty scummy. Actually Meeko makes very good scum, since he makes so much noise that I’m sure these ideas will just be excused as “n00bish”. I don’t think anyone will take them too seriously. I wonder if anyone will vote for him over them toMorrow. Man, discussion at night is weird. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/117 "2009-07-02T18:08:55Z")
What makes me get pings from **Meeko** are his constant claims he is town, or worse that everyone knows it fore sure: > [@](#): > > It’s weird, I mean I am town, and I thought that the entire game, knew that. Combined with the fact that he attaches ‘WiFoM’ with almost everything else. And **Storyteller** was one of the first to say ‘based on Meeko’s name claim he must be town’. I know nothing of Lost, the name claim is at most an indication but certainly far from being a confirmed mason he seems to imply it is. But it might just be a (Meeko) ping. It would need a look at the vote record, especially when some scum get killed, to build a case - but I’m just reading along to put that much effort in it ;). ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/118 "2009-07-04T09:02:01Z")
Well, so that’s how it goes. This game has been interesting, fascinating… but isn’t it obvious that Mahaloth is scum??? I mean, the way he talks it’s almost as if he knows stuff about them… WIFOM. But you know guys, I am a newbie Town. And everyone who has every played with me can tell you that I am definitely Town. Can’t you see it??? Definitely a WIFOM **How am I supposed to tell who is Scum in this game? If they post in orange, is that a Scum tell?** ^^Is a breadcrumb, by the way. I mean, I’m vanilla Town and have no idea what is going on, and have no more information than anyone else, but I am breadcrumbing. It is an acronym for Iabbtw, which means Mahaloth is Scum. So yeah, there’s something about having two L’s in my name. * * * All right, that was a little rude. But seriously **Meeko** , “I am a VIP Town”? I don’t know where he comes up with that stuff. He and I need to have a private chat. Topics will include: \*Proper use of Mafia terms \*Letting go of grudges \*Remembering that this is not Haggle - post count is not proportional to success \*Seriously, are you still going on about “Sinner Bulletproof”? Even if he was right, which he can’t comprehend how wrong he is, he needs to let. It. Go. \*What exactly a valid Scum tell entails * * * Okay, now that I’ve gotten that out of my system, one of these days (Days?) I’m going to work out how to play Cop. The Scum picked up on my less than subtle hints and rightly killed me for it. I was on the verge of claiming, too. Oh well, that’ll teach me. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/119 "2009-07-04T16:17:22Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Okay, now that I’ve gotten that out of my system, one of these days (Days?) I’m going to work out how to play Cop. The Scum picked up on my less than subtle hints and rightly killed me for it. I was on the verge of claiming, too. > > Oh well, that’ll teach me. I have an answer for that one. Make no hints. If anything try to drop some hints that you are probably vanilla, then claim as soon as is reasonable. If after 3 Days you have 3 living cleared townies claim then. If at any point you catch scum, claim then. Three living townies or one scum, that’s the threshold (IMO). Also, if there is Night talk allowed, always claim at the end of the Night. Don’t wait for Day when scum might have had a chance to off you. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/120 "2009-07-05T06:11:08Z")
**NAF** , that is good advice. It was also my plan, up until people I had confirmed were starting to gain suspicion. > [@Meeko](#): > > And yes, Ghost of Allwalker, we have been here before. I know this song and dance as well. But, this is where we differ. > > - I admit upfront, that I am leaving out part of my claim All right, this is _really_ starting to piss me off. **Meeko** , since you are not going to let this drop, when you are out of this game we need to have a little chat. In which I will slowly, and carefully, why you are full of crap about the role claim thing in Glyph. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486.md?page=7)