# The Lost Mafia Forbidden Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 11, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486 "2009-06-11T20:37:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/141 "2009-07-15T19:14:47Z")
With an actual scum role blocker, that does gives **Storyteller** ’s claim more credit and his reveal he was blocked by what turned out to be **pedescribe** gave **Zeriel** the clue to keep him blocked. > [@](#): > > Then again, watch me die tonight. At least we will have our proof. With a claimed, no longer blocked investigator out there? I doubt the scum would do that if Story is town, so I don’t know why **Meeko** still thinks he is the primary target, even when out of bullets. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/142 "2009-07-15T19:52:10Z")
Because Meeko is ALWAYS sure he’s the number 1 scum target, even when he’s doing more to help scum than all the scum combined. Look at Crimson Glyph. He was the scum MVP, but he was sure he was their number 1 NK target the entire game. Or Night 1 of this game. He is also demostrating once again that he doesn’t understand some of the terms he throws around. Lynching scum does not remove you from LYLO, only Vigging scum and/or blocking the NK does, and sometimes not even that is enough. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/143 "2009-07-15T20:27:09Z")
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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/144 "2009-07-15T23:03:12Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > So if anything, ADHD should play less of a role in a message board setting than it would in other aspects. Because you don’t have any time constraints where ADHD will negatively affect your performance. ADHD presents differently in different people. I have known ADHDers that sound almost exactly like Meeko. I think it makes them too impatient to take the extra time needed to think about what they are going to say ahead of time. Also, while message boards don’t have time restraints, Mafia does, even if they are fairly long. And I doubt Meeko stays on the board 24/7 or writes his posts offline. So he probably feels like he has to post whatever he’s thinking before he leaves, or he’ll forget, just like he would if he were talking. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/145 "2009-07-15T23:43:34Z")
Now, about the game: Isn’t it anti-town to gripe about Meeko in-game? Unless you tell him directly to stop something in a way he can understand, he’s not going to change. And, thus, all you are doing is adding noise. Of course, this is counterbalanced by people who snuggle him, which is what I thought Chronos was doing earlier on. Now I think it might just be his trying to keep people from griping. * * * Oh, and **Zeriel** , before I forget, ADHDers consider the word “spaz” to be a horrible insult. In it’s original use, it basically meant the same as “spastic” in the UK, just shortened to make it more insulting (compare _Negro_ and it’s corresponding epithet) Used on ADHDers, and it’s doubly insulting. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/146 "2009-07-15T23:59:02Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > All right, Town is starting to get their act together! Could get interesting from here on out. I am surprised that Chronos’ program looks good for Scuba, I would probably consider him the most suspicious at this point (but then, I suck at this game). Of course, if Chronos keeps playing and people start to put faith in his program, it seems like it would be fairly easy for scum to manipulate that, but I doubt that is happening in his second game. Well, his program consistently labeled me blackheart in Crimson Glyph when I wasn’t so I wouldn’t trust that its criteria are that reliable. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/147 "2009-07-17T14:04:16Z")
Something I don’t believe anyone in-game has pointed out: the only person to claim to have vetted Chronos’s program is Zeriel. Known scum Zeriel. Also, I’m not going to sift through the thread to find out: did Meeko say WHO he vig’d on night 1? ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/148 "2009-07-17T16:31:45Z")
I believe it was you. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/149 "2009-07-17T17:58:54Z")
I figured that was more likely than the reverse case. ---
**Author:** ![Polyperchon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/50afbb/32.png) [@Polyperchon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polyperchon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/150 "2009-07-18T03:23:08Z")
Jeepers, things are getting acrimonious. I hate reading along when that happens because I can never tell what is in-game to rile people up and what is people genuinely lashing out. The personal insults are never cool. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/151 "2009-07-18T05:49:30Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > For whatever reason, you and I have been at odds the entire game. > > Mutilate the following comment however you will, it needs to be said: > > I will NEVER understand why people hate me so much with Mafia. > I would go so far as to say that everyone else thinks that a Mafia game with uniform thinking Townies helps town. It is if to say, all Mafia players, as town, resign to the box that will be their coffin. > > The more ways Town can think on the game, the better for town. Better is different, different is not similar, not similar is strange. I could continue to link this to ““Meeko”” game play, or ““Peeker”” game play, but I hope for once you guys undertand me. > Expanding on this, and for the same reason: I would welcome a game With Peeker, Seeker, Roosh, and I. There has to be some reason why we stick out. And, at the end of the day, I can only say it is survival of the fittest. > > – > > I could care less, and I could not care less [In fact, they are the same] what anyone else has to say here. I know my gameplay is improving, and I know that given my 1.8 [Back of the envelope guess that we are 80% done here] game experience, I am far beyond most Mafia players. > > Again, No appologizes from me. > > And if you don’t like this, then I Dare you to be in the game where I finally am Scum. > > Only one of two statements [My assertions that I am better than average OR that I just have beginners luck.] can be right here, and the proof will come only when I am Scum. _Sigh_. His attitude worries me. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/152 "2009-07-18T13:27:41Z")
Meeko, for when you die or the game ends and you come over here and read this, the term you keep misusing is not Occam’s Razor, it’s Magic Bag. You also keep misusing WIFOM. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/153 "2009-07-20T11:53:09Z")
What’s all this talk about Chronos being a possible Godfather (even by him)? Allwalker was a lie detector, not a standard investigator. To allow a Godfather to lie and return that as a truth to a lie detector is Gastard. If you’re going to assume that Allwaker investigated Chronos and Storyteller as town, then it no doubt happened from a “I am town” statement. A Godfather that says “I am town” is still lying, and will still be called out as such upon investigation by a lie detector. It’s not that hard to figure out. It’s the old “How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Polyperchon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/50afbb/32.png) [@Polyperchon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polyperchon)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/154 "2009-07-20T13:23:13Z")
I didn’t have much of a read on cardinal\_fang for most of the game but he’s coming out with some good analysis at the moment. I like that he took the time to build chronos’ program and figure out the flaws in his assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/155 "2009-07-21T16:33:22Z")
Wow, that was an interesting end to the day. I’m thinking that Mahaloth may not have worked out a tie breaking mechanism and depending on how he decides to do it the game may be over. Anyone else have a read on what’s going on? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/156 "2009-07-21T16:42:55Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Wow, that was an interesting end to the day. I’m thinking that Mahaloth may not have worked out a tie breaking mechanism and depending on how he decides to do it the game may be over. Anyone else have a read on what’s going on? No, I have a clear way to break the tie and it takes a little time. I’ve been waiting for a tie the whole game. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/157 "2009-07-21T18:04:46Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > No, I have a clear way to break the tie and it takes a little time. I’ve been waiting for a tie the whole game. 🙂 Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a mafia game where a death returned no public information. Hmm… thinking aloud: IF Jimmy is town, then USCDiver was also town, as Jimmy would have no reason to lie. (Assuming he hasn’t been forced to lie by the smoke monster, which I think is sufficiently gastardly that we can discount the possibility). If so, then lynching Jimmy pretty much wins the game for the Others. IF Jimmy is scum, then USCDiver could be either scum or town. I’m trying to game out in my head if it would be more in Jimmy’s interest to report him as scum: on the one hand, Chronos has said that his program indicates that if USCDiver is scum, then Jimmy must be scum (if I remember right), so that gives Jimmy incentive to report USCDiver as town. On the other hand, reporting USCDiver as scum, especially if he was town, would make town think it was safer than it in fact was, which has to be in the scum’s interest. Hm. I think, on balance, Jimmy would have been more likely to report USCDiver as scum if he (Jimmy) was scum, regardless of whether it was the truth or not. So I’m inclined to think Jimmy is probably town. (Which gets us into WIFOM territory, of course). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/158 "2009-07-21T18:34:16Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a mafia game where a death returned no public information. > > Hmm… thinking aloud: > > IF Jimmy is town, then USCDiver was also town, as Jimmy would have no reason to lie. (Assuming he hasn’t been forced to lie by the smoke monster, which I think is sufficiently gastardly that we can discount the possibility). If so, then lynching Jimmy pretty much wins the game for the Others. > > IF Jimmy is scum, then USCDiver could be either scum or town. I’m trying to game out in my head if it would be more in Jimmy’s interest to report him as scum: on the one hand, Chronos has said that his program indicates that if USCDiver is scum, then Jimmy must be scum (if I remember right), so that gives Jimmy incentive to report USCDiver as town. On the other hand, reporting USCDiver as scum, especially if he was town, would make town think it was safer than it in fact was, which has to be in the scum’s interest. > > Hm. I think, on balance, Jimmy would have been more likely to report USCDiver as scum if he (Jimmy) was scum, regardless of whether it was the truth or not. So I’m inclined to think Jimmy is probably town. > > (Which gets us into WIFOM territory, of course). a sCUM JANITOR CAN HIDE SOME INFORMATION AT TIMES. aDDITIONALLY A fORENSIC sCIENTIST CAN UNCOVER IT. i USED A jANITOR IN A GAME i MODDED BUT i REVEALED ALL WHEN THE JANITOR WAS LYNCHED oh, caps lock. I’m too lazy to retype all that 😉 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/159 "2009-07-21T18:41:16Z")
The not revealing alignment is a good way to discourage ties…but…um…it’s only a deterrent if people know it’s there. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486/160 "2009-07-21T18:56:46Z")
The Town knew that a tie could end in any number of ways, the vast majority of them unpleasant for the Town. Mahaloth made this clear from the start. The Town’s number one priority should have been avoiding a tie at all costs. They deserve the confusion they will now have to manage for allowing this tie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-lost-mafia-forbidden-thread/499486.md?page=9)