# The Mandela Effect is plaguing me again **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 20, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338 "2023-05-20T18:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/1 "2023-05-20T18:09:41Z")
You might have seen the episode of _ **South Park** _ “Crack Baby Athletic Association”, in which at one point Cartman dresses as a Southern plantation owner and tries to get advice from the University of Colorado on how to avoid having to pay compensation to “slaves”. Here’s the thing- I would have bet a small expendable body part that Cartman said something similar to the following: “Evah since the War of Northern Aggression, we have fallen upon hard times sir; hard times”. Yet the YouTube clips of that scene have no such dialog. Have the clips been edited, was it someone else somewhere else who said something similar, or have I completely imagined the whole thing? Does this sound at all familiar to anyone? ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/2 "2023-05-22T02:57:13Z")
Well, it does sound like something Cartman would say if he was pretending to be some sort of ex-Confederate. Googling doesn’t come up with anything for that- even searching for “since the war of northern agression we have fallen upon hard times” only comes up with your post. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/3 "2023-05-22T03:08:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > …at one point Cartman dresses as a Southern plantation owner. > > > [@bump](#): > > > > searching for “since the war of northern agression we have fallen upon hard times” only comes up with your post. Ohmigosh, in this timeline… you’re Cartman! ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/4 "2024-05-22T18:35:55Z")
I got another one. I watched The Cube (original film) on cable, late 90’s. Most of it remains pretty memorable, if silly in the end analysis. I **clearly** recall the guy who played Nick Knight in Forever Knight as the cop who goes insane and starts trying to kill everybody, Geraint Wyn Davies. I idly surf to the Wikipedia page for the film today, casually look down the list of characters-and he is nowhere to be found. Instead there is a guy who looks nothing like him in the role that until now I don’t recall seeing in anything, Maurice Dean Wint. Note today is the first time I recall seeing his name, so my apparent confusion has nothing to do with the fact that both have 3 word names, and one of the names for each are kind of similar. Kicker is that it was an all-Canadian cast, and Davies is indeed Canadian. I do clearly recall Nicole DeBoer note. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/5 "2024-05-22T18:57:38Z")
I used to think I suffered from the Mandela Effect all the time, but I was misremembering. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/6 "2024-05-22T20:21:31Z")
He was in the sequel, duhh. Move on, nothing to see here… ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/7 "2024-05-22T21:59:16Z")
The Mandela Effect is if multiple people misremember the same thing. If it’s just you it means you have a bad memory. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/8 "2024-05-22T22:38:28Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I used to think I suffered from the Mandela Effect all the time, but I was misremembering. Nice username/post. I’ve always wanted to ask, is a Pleonast someone who plays a pleono? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/9 "2024-05-22T22:45:41Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The Mandela Effect is if multiple people misremember the same thing. If it’s just you it means you have a bad memory. So…I don’t suppose anyone remembers me honking the horn on the monorail at the New York World’s Fair? ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/10 "2024-05-23T00:26:18Z")
I just had something like this happen to me the other day. I distinctly remember the song “Gaston” from Disney’s _Beauty and the Beast_ included the lines: _No one drinks like Gaston_ _No one thinks like Gaston_ _And no one incredibly stinks like Gaston_ (Or something along those lines) It hit me that the last line is probably a reference to the old stereotype that French people don’t bathe, and I was getting ready to post that in the “Obvious things about a creative work you just realized” thread. But when I tried to search for the exact lyrics to make sure I got them right, none of the lyric sites, nor any of the clips I could find on YouTube, included those lines. And I found [references online](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/hjqgxh/comment/kgx1a44/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) to other people remembering those lines, so it’s not just me misremembering. I’m not entirely sure if this is a case of the Mandela Effect, or a case of Disney editing the movie for later releases. I could imagine that Disney might have decided that they didn’t want a reference to drinking in the song, or a reference to an offensive stereotype about French people, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/11 "2024-05-23T04:47:59Z")
Or, it could be one of the many joke versions of that song floating around > [@Lumpy](#): > > Evah since the War of Northern Aggression, we have fallen upon hard times sir; hard times That sounds suspiciously familiar, and I have never watched South Park. My mind wants to say that it’s from Carol Burnett’s “Gone With the Wind” satire. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/12 "2024-07-12T01:53:23Z")
Nicole is part of my theory that there are actually only about 50 Canadians. Kids in the Hall famously have very few women featured. Yet Nicole plays Bobby’s girlfriend. She may have all of ONE line in a couple of appearances. You mean to tell me this NOBODY went on to become famous enough to be in DS9 and The Cube? Come on man ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/13 "2024-07-12T01:56:18Z")
Got one today…the video of Robert Palmer’s “I Didn’t Mean to Turn You On”, a cover of Stephanie Mills original version…featured him just walking through a party looking cool and maybe a tad sheepish. Nope…Cherelle did the original version and I cant find a video other then a version similar to Addicted to Love and Simply Irresistable. Now, Cherrelle I’m willing to chalk up to misremembering, but I KNOW there was a version of the video I remember. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/14 "2024-07-12T02:00:35Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Nope…Cherelle did the original version and I cant find a video other then a version similar to Addicted to Love and Simply Irresistable. [This?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TRxM74bRCDw) ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/15 "2024-07-12T02:02:17Z")
No i know the King Kong Cherelle video…I meant I can only find one Robert Palmer video and not the one I remember him doing Sorry, for not posting more clearly ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/16 "2024-07-12T04:57:29Z")
> [@WildaBeast](#): > > I distinctly remember the song “Gaston” from Disney’s _Beauty and the Beast_ included the lines: > _No one drinks like Gaston_ > _No one thinks like Gaston_ > _And no one incredibly stinks like Gaston_ > (Or something along those lines) Those lines seemed really familiar. I was wracking my brain trying to remember where. Then I got it: “There is Nothing Like a Dame”, from South Pacific: “There are no books like a dame And nothin’ looks like a dame. There are no drinks like a dame And nothin’ thinks like a dame. Nothin’ acts like a dame Or attracts like a dame.” ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/17 "2024-07-13T02:12:29Z")
There have been a lot of riffs on Gaston’s song, it lends itself well to that. For instance: [![](https://i.imgur.com/63Dd6Xn.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/63Dd6Xn.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/18 "2024-07-13T03:36:48Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I used to think I suffered from the Mandela Effect all the time, but I was misremembering. Brilliant. . > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > So…I don’t suppose anyone remembers me honking the horn on the monorail at the New York World’s Fair? That was _you?_ No way, I remember it as being Sinbad, in his genie costume from _Shazaam_… ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/19 "2024-07-15T22:57:06Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > from Carol Burnett’s “Gone With the Wind” satire Why in the hell as I casually read this I saw, **“Carol Burnett’s Gone Wild”** ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/20 "2024-07-16T09:51:44Z")
Ah, the Mandela effect, or as I call it, the Steve Biko effect. Most of these are misremembered lyrics and quotes from movies and songs because over the years parodies have contextualised quotes and the parodies are long lost (“Luke, I am your father” works in a parody much better than “No, I am your father” because otherwise you have to explain that it is Darth Vadar saying it). Then, as usual, a piece of internet whimsy is weaponised by the insane. But sounds about right, parody mutating a quote. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=2)