# The Mandela Effect is plaguing me again **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 20, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338 "2023-05-20T18:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/61 "2024-10-07T01:10:08Z")
Here’s the Wikipedia article about the _Jeannie_ cartoon. Apparently it only lasted one 16-episode season, in 1973. Joe Besser did indeed voice Babu, and Mark Hamill (!) voiced the male lead, in his first voice-acting gig. > **[Jeannie (TV series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannie_(TV_series))** > > Jeannie is an American animated television series that originally aired for a 16-episode season on CBS from September 8 to December 22, 1973. It was produced by Hanna-Barbera in association with Screen Gems, and its founders William Hanna and Joseph Barbera are the executive producers. Despite being a spin-off of sorts of the television sitcom I Dream of Jeannie, Jeannie has little in common with its parent show. In this version, the title character is rescued on the beaches of southern Calif... ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/62 "2024-10-07T21:37:56Z")
Joe Besser saying “Yapple Dapple!” has been a permanent ear worm for me for going on forty years now. And I never even saw the damn Jeannie cartoon - I heard it on a cross-over with Scooby-Doo. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/63 "2024-10-08T06:05:47Z")
I’m not sure if I ever saw Jeannie but I know I saw _ **Laff-A-Lympics** _ ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/64 "2024-10-08T07:18:10Z")
Waitaminit! You were serious? Like, you didn’t remember it so it didn’t exist and I went into a different universe and googled it up? Well, that’s. . . special. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/65 "2024-10-08T13:47:36Z")
The nice thing about how our culture is now so fractured and balkanized is that no one has any shared experiences anymore so there won’t be any more Mandela Effects because everyone can just remember whatever they want. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/66 "2024-10-08T13:52:57Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Ooh, what if a person shifted universes, but their phone stayed connected to their previous one? > > (Anyone need a story idea? It’s yours.) Terry Pratchett beat you to it. That’s a plot point in his Discworld novel _Jingo._ Although it’s not a phone, but a Dis-organizer, a magiteck version of a Blackberry. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/67 "2024-10-08T15:38:51Z")
Can’t tell you how proud I am to have accidentally plagiarized someone with Pratchett’s imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/68 "2024-10-08T17:34:38Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > everyone can just remember whatever they want. We can remember it for you wholesale. ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/69 "2024-10-09T09:50:35Z")
Watching the latest series of ‘The Cleaner’ and there’s an elderly black actor that looks and sounds just like Derek Griffiths. But I know for a fact that he died in 2019 as I remember the tributes to him on Twitter. Nope, he’s still alive. So whos death am I remembering? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/70 "2024-10-09T10:21:47Z")
> [@JacobSwan](#): > > So whos death am I remembering? All I can think of is Brian Cant, but he died in 2017 and is also white. But they were contemporaries on **PlayAway**. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/71 "2024-10-09T14:06:57Z")
I started the “alternative ending to Big” saga, but of all the other Mandela effects I’ve ever read about, only one seems to impact me as much. At the end of Moonraker, I also thought Jaws’ girl smiled and she had braces on. I guess it was poor image on TV, but I remember my Dad even laughing and pointing out her braces…which is a joke about his metal teeth. She didn’t, but I’m not the only one that thought that. > **[https://preview.redd.it/ok-admit-it-who-thought-jaws-girlfriend-in-moonraker-dol...](https://preview.redd.it/ok-admit-it-who-thought-jaws-girlfriend-in-moonraker-dolly-v0-8zofcntemsec1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=c64f4dd2f63534b2867de79e8d4d86387c0e5dd7)** ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/72 "2024-10-09T21:49:04Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > She didn’t, but I’m not the only one that thought that. I think this is exactly the type of joke switcheroo which tricks your mind, like the ear scene in Reservoir Dogs. She looks exactly like the type of preppy young girl who should smile and have braces. With about a second of smile, with wire framed glasses, and huge cleavage to distract as well, it doesn’t give much time to concentrate too. If viewed on television, like I watched most bond movies, the quality was awful and watched back then for us, on 20" set., that you’d probably fill in the gaps in your mind anyway. It’s one which high definition threw into sharp relief, and indeed, a lot of people haven’t seen the film since well before even laserdisc. It is, however, so obviously trickery which worked, that I’d prefer to call this misremembering technique the “Jaw’s girlfriend has braces effect” which is much more forgivable than people missing the president of South Africa not being there for FIVE years, which has roots in sustained lack of knowledge and possibly racism. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/73 "2024-10-09T22:21:12Z")
I “remember” the braces… …partly because it would be such a light yet poignant moment; why _wouldn’t_ they film her doing a braces reveal? And the big “showing off her teeth” smile makes more sense with hardware. . Almost everyone in the original Reddit agrees that it makes sense, and that she DID have braces (and then they all start to doubt reality… one redditor says “Fuck this timeline!”) [https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/1abjdpj/ok\_admit\_it\_who\_thought\_jaws\_girlfriend\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/1abjdpj/ok_admit_it_who_thought_jaws_girlfriend_in/) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/74 "2024-10-09T22:26:21Z")
I thought she had braces too. I saw it on a fairly small B&W TV so maybe it looked like she had braces. Maybe also I didn’t know really and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a similar young blonde haired girl wearing braces at least once in some other movie so it’s possible conflation of memory. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/75 "2024-10-09T22:35:35Z")
I miss my timeline. Everything since the Gore Administration made much more sense than whatever’s been going on here. So, how do I get back there? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/76 "2024-10-09T22:57:06Z")
Wellll, just to complicate things, I found a number of vintage “Are those braces or not?” clips. BUT here’s the movie (shown on Canadian TV), off someone’s VHS tape, and she has braces: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0EjWdfYV90Q/hqdefault.jpg "Dolly Had Braces TV Broadcast Sun Nov 22 1981") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EjWdfYV90Q) ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/77 "2024-10-10T01:06:14Z")
Apparently that’s NOT George Lazenby as the bagpipe player in Twilight Zones “Five Characters in Search of an Exit” Looks just like him though ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/78 "2024-10-10T01:19:40Z")
> [@digs](#): > > BUT here’s the movie (shown on Canadian TV), off someone’s VHS tape, and she has braces: Maybe. too blurry to tell. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/79 "2024-10-10T01:34:27Z")
Seems like it… [![](https://i.imgur.com/IqLjm5y.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/IqLjm5y.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/80 "2024-10-10T02:42:09Z")
I agree. More points against it are that Moonraker was an Anglo-French co-production, which isn’t much, but braces are a hell of a lot less common there than here, certainly back then. More damning ([from Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonraker_(film)#Mandela_effect_debate)) is a 1979 LA Times review that says: > Kiel…even acquires a love interest, a small, voluptuous blonde named Blanche Ravalec. It would be a relationship made in heaven if only she wore braces. Finally, the actress that played her definitively said that nope, no braces. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=5)