# The Mandela Effect is plaguing me again **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 20, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338 "2023-05-20T18:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/81 "2024-10-10T04:57:00Z")
Another cartoon mismemory. When I was a kid I used to watch a Hanna-Barbera cartoon titled “Bailey’s Comets” about a young woman that lead a roller skating team on a quest to win a million dollars. They played against various goofy teams around the world, and her team almost always won. Make that _his_ team. Although I could remember her face vividly, when I looked it up not long ago “Bailey” was male…and it was a DePatie-Freleng production. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/82 "2024-10-10T11:56:26Z")
I refer to it as a the Pugwash effect. You can probably walk up to anyone in the UK over a certain age (40, perhaps) and ask “tell me about Captain Pugwash” and about 80% of them will tell you it was a kids tv show which had hidden sexual references such as “master bates”, “roger the cabin boy” (roger is slang for having sex) and “semen stains”. It did not. It was a joke. The original TV show had the names Master mate, Tom the cabin boy. So how did this happen? Different reality? Nope. Victor Lewis-Smith was a comedian who did jokes based on nostalgia, particularly british (but might work for americans), called Buy-gones.([Here is a channel 4 compilation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrpoal4ZDnk), it was originally as a bit part on a Radio 4 show, and eventually did some late night stuff on Channel 4. It was obviously a joke. He also did a column in a short lived UK Sunday newspaper called The Sunday Correspondent. I bought and read this newspaper ever week, purely for his column. I might even have a few somewhere in my house. The Pugwash joke was printed in that one Sunday. It was clearly a joke made. Then The Guardian newspaper printed it as fact. They were sued and printed a retraction. The wiki is wrong, and snopes is wrong on this. The state that the Sunday Correspondent was sued for this in 1991. It wasn’t. The Sunday Correspondent didn’t exist in 1991, it closed in 1990. People continued to believe this urban myth because, like a lot of urban myths, they want to. It’s funny. Truth is not needed. And weird space time crap based on jokes persist on the back of things like this. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/83 "2024-10-10T12:04:02Z")
I remember when I was in college arguing with someone that the song The Promise was by the band Erasure. I could see in my mind’s eye the MTV credit text saying it was Erasure. And this was in the early 90s so the song was not that old. I fought tooth and nail because I was sure. It isn’t. It’s from When in Rome. You can be sure and be wrong. It happens. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/84 "2024-10-10T15:49:32Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Victor Lewis-Smith was a comedian who did jokes based on nostalgia, particularly british (but might work for americans), called Buy-gones.([Here is a channel 4 compilation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrpoal4ZDnk), it was originally as a bit part on a Radio 4 show, and eventually did some late night stuff on Channel 4. It was obviously a joke. > > People continued to believe this urban myth because, like a lot of urban myths, they want to. It’s funny. Truth is not needed. And weird space time crap based on jokes persist on the back of things like this. Similarly, people conflate the Saturday Night Live “It’s a Wonderful Life” skit where the townsfolk find out that Potter stole the money and exact revenge with the actual movie. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/85 "2024-10-10T16:05:09Z")
And people remember Sarah Palin saying “I can see Russia from my house!”, when that was actually Tina Fey impersonating her. > **[Did Sarah Palin Say: 'I Can See Russia from My House'?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sarah-palin-russia-house/)** > > Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin did not say 'I can see Russia from my house.' That line originated with an SNL spoof. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/86 "2024-10-10T16:18:13Z")
I have a musical example. For a long time, since I first heard that song, I thought that Mick Jagger in “Angie” sang: _Angie, Angie_ _When will those dark clouds disappear_ Until about 20 years ago, hearing the song for the umptiest time, it changed to: _Angie, Angie_ _When will these clouds all disappear_ And I can’t blame it on an alternative or live version, because I only ever heard the one studio version from “Goat’s Head Soup” or the single version, respectively. I don’t even know any live version, I don’t think the Stones played it much on stage. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/87 "2024-10-10T16:29:20Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Almost everyone in the original Reddit agrees that it makes sense, and that she DID have braces (and then they all start to doubt reality… one redditor says “Fuck this timeline!”) > > [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/1abjdpj/ok_admit_it_who_thought_jaws_girlfriend_in/) > [@needscoffee](#): > > Seems like it… > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://i.imgur.com/IqLjm5y.jpeg) So, what is going on here? Were there multiple versions? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/88 "2024-10-10T16:40:38Z")
It is just that some versions aren’t as clear as others so it might look as if she has braces if you don’t pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/89 "2024-10-10T17:25:12Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > So, what is going on here? Were there multiple versions? So far it’s only in still photos that she doesn’t appear to be wearing braces. Easy to photoshop, and possibly the stills are the actress’s publicity photos . The video clip above shows the braces pretty clearly, but that’s not the end of the story. Moonraker is available on Netflix right now and at 1:10:19 as it appears on my TV she is not wearing braces. Both [IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079574/faq/?ref_=tt_faq_2#fq0089705) she never had braces and [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonraker_(film)#Mandela_effect_debate) say she never had braces. It may not be possible to track down the source of the video clip posted by @digs but the reveal is so brief it’s possible someone edited the video. Certainly braces made sense out of the scene, should have been shot that way. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/90 "2024-10-10T18:00:04Z")
Wait! There’s more… at 1:57:21 on my screen we see the same sequence when Jaws and Dolly are on the space station. He smiles revealing his metal teeth and she smiles back. But this time the image is a little grainy and along with the light reflecting off her teeth it looks a little like she has braces. But seconds later at 1:57:44 she’s seen smiling again, this time from the side with no sign of braces, and again at 1:57:55, 1:58:07, 1:58:19 no braces to be seen. Seeing this on broadcast TV, especially B&W as I first saw it would be easy to assume she was wearing braces. Both shots of her smiling are very brief and as noted so often it makes sense that she has braces on her teeth. Sadly this appears to be the end for both Jaws and Dolly as the space station catastrophically explodes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/91 "2024-10-10T18:12:48Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > And people remember Sarah Palin saying “I can see Russia from my house!”, when that was actually Tina Fey impersonating her. > > [Did Sarah Palin Say: 'I Can See Russia from My House'? | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sarah-palin-russia-house/) She was close when she said you can see parts of Russia from parts of Alaska. I’m not saying Plain was the start of MAGA, but it was around the time she was accepted by people as a running mate that I began to worry about the right more. I mean…this is not an intelligent person. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/92 "2024-10-10T20:04:17Z")
It’s true Tina Fey said that exact quote but it was in reference to Palin saying that Alaska being close to Russia was what made her qualified on foreign policy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/93 "2024-10-10T20:13:07Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > And people remember Sarah Palin saying “I can see Russia from my house!”, when that was actually Tina Fey impersonating her. But she did say you can see Russia from Alaska, which is kinda true. However, that does not make Palin any sort of expert on Russian relations. > [@Pleonast](#): > > So, what is going on here? Were there multiple versions? Blurry and some reflection, you can see braces if you want to- but there are none. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/94 "2024-10-10T20:24:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Blurry and some reflection, you can see braces if you want to- but there are none. Correct. They did not film braces. We all just saw what we saw and honestly, we came up with a better resolution than the movie did It was a cute joke they missed out on. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/95 "2024-10-11T02:57:05Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > I don’t believe in the Mandela effect, and I have a case of it, which when having asked around, got solved. > > During the film **Man bites dog** , I remember a bit where they’re throwing a corpse off a bridge. On a rewatch of that film, the scene wasn’t there, > > I asked around, and someone pointed out that the first episode of **The Sopranos** has such a scene. Well, I’m not sure that it got solved, because there isn’t a scene that matches that description in The Sopranos. There is a scene in the first episode on a bridge where they _threaten_ to throw a live person off that bridge, but no one gets tossed. Then in episode 6, they throw someone else off that same bridge, but he was alive when they tossed him over and he only became a corpse after he landed. In episode 11, a live guy jumps off a different bridge. A few seasons later they throw a corpse off a sea cliff, just not a bridge. TL;DR No corpses were thrown off bridges in The Sopranos. So maybe you are still Mandela’d about Man Bites Dog, the person you talked to was Mandela’d about The Sopranos, and then that person’s Sopranos Mandela-ing inadvertently gaslighted you about The Sopranos. A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/96 "2024-10-11T04:08:21Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Sadly this appears to be the end for both Jaws and Dolly as the space station catastrophically explodes. Oh great! Now we’ll never know! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/97 "2024-10-11T04:30:32Z")
According to Wiki (and my own memory) “Jaws and Dolly, who ejected themselves in one of Drax’s escape pods, are recovered by the Marines.” ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/98 "2024-10-11T06:12:08Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > A Trek one for me was I could have sworn when I saw TMP….during the transporter accident the two unfortunate souls started to merge with each other…but that didn’t happen. Fortunately. That did happen on Voyager when Tuvok and Neelix combined to form Tuvix. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/99 "2024-10-11T17:35:20Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > > [@Smid](#): > > > > I don’t believe in the Mandela effect, and I have a case of it, which when having asked around, got solved. > > > > During the film **Man bites dog** , I remember a bit where they’re throwing a corpse off a bridge. On a rewatch of that film, the scene wasn’t there, > > > > I asked around, and someone pointed out that the first episode of **The Sopranos** has such a scene. > > Well, I’m not sure that it got solved, because there isn’t a scene that matches that description in The Sopranos. > > There is a scene in the first episode on a bridge where they _threaten_ to throw a live person off that bridge, but no one gets tossed. Then in episode 6, they throw someone else off that same bridge, but he was alive when they tossed him over and he only became a corpse after he landed. In episode 11, a live guy jumps off a different bridge. A few seasons later they throw a corpse off a sea cliff, just not a bridge. > > TL;DR > No corpses were thrown off bridges in The Sopranos. > > So maybe you are still Mandela’d about Man Bites Dog, the person you talked to was Mandela’d about The Sopranos, and then that person’s Sopranos Mandela-ing inadvertently gaslighted you about The Sopranos. > > A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Correct. One of the most famous scenes is when they whack a guy by throwing him off of the bridge over the Great Falls in Paterson. Easy to see how the memory can change it to a corpse. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wwrwNYM6Jv8/maxresdefault.jpg "The Sopranos: Rusty Irish gets whacked") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwrwNYM6Jv8) ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/100 "2024-10-12T00:36:35Z")
Lots of bridge murder in the Sopranos. Maybe my dreams are a critic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=6)