# The Mandela Effect is plaguing me again **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 20, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338 "2023-05-20T18:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Cumberdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Cumberdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumberdale)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/101 "2024-10-13T23:28:42Z")
This is the one I have experience. We saw it in the theater in 1979. I distinctly remember her having braces because I either had them at the time or was about to get them. Also, that from what I remembered is why Jaws returned her smile. It is disappointing the filmmakers didn’t think of it. It would have made a so-so movie just a bit better. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/102 "2024-10-14T04:11:54Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > During the film **Man bites dog** , I remember a bit where they’re throwing a corpse off a bridge. On a rewatch of that film, the scene wasn’t there, Probably not but are you possibly thinking of the two different versions of the Beastie Boys music video for Sabotage? In the uncensored one they throw a body off a bridge (or an overpass or similar structure) but in the censored video all the violence is replaced with other random images. My Star Trek Mandala effect is from Enterprise. In “In a Mirror, Darkly Part II” Mirror Archer gives a speech to the crew and after he finishes, orders a guard to shoot the first person who stops clapping. Memory Alpha tells me it was a deleted scene that was only on the Season 4 DVD set. But I never had the DVD set. I am certain I saw this scene when it aired. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/103 "2024-10-14T22:30:07Z")
Interesting article: [Loom of Lies](https://lux-magazine.com/article/loom-of-lies/) (Lux Magazine) ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/104 "2024-10-15T21:13:53Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > My Star Trek Mandala effect is from Enterprise. In “In a Mirror, Darkly Part II” Mirror Archer gives a speech to the crew and after he finishes, orders a guard to shoot the first person who stops clapping. Memory Alpha tells me it was a deleted scene that was only on the Season 4 DVD set. But I never had the DVD set. I am certain I saw this scene when it aired. I love these because there is just a reasonable explanation–it’s like when people “remember” scenes from movies that were only in the novelization or a comic adaptation. You read a scene or someone tells you about a scene…you KNOW exactly what it would look like. You know exactly what it would look like when Archer tells a guard to shoot the first person who stops clapping. So in your head, that scene exits for you. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/105 "2024-10-17T06:32:24Z")
Another example is in The Leftovers final episode, when Nora Durst tells Kevin her experience “going to the other side.” She describes the scene in great detail, but there are no camera flashbacks as there are for other past scenes. People swear to god they remember seeing her memories even though they are never actually shown. Excellent series, btw. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/106 "2024-10-17T12:59:35Z")
In some of the YouTube comments about the Moonraker Jaws-girlfriend-has-braces scene, a few people claimed that there was a TV commercial that ran around that time, featuring Richard Kiel in character as Jaws, in which he encounters a cashier who smiles at him, revealing that she is wearing braces. It may be that people are conflating that with the actual movie. Assuming, of course, that said TV commercial actually existed, and is not ANOTHER false memory. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/107 "2024-10-17T13:17:17Z")
There is this one. But it’s a Finnish commercial and not until 2006. And while the cashier ha braces, there is no metal on Kiel. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/2BhLAWP7jGA/hqdefault.jpg "Richard Kiel ,tv commercial for Sampo Mini Visa Card") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BhLAWP7jGA) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/108 "2024-10-17T13:27:18Z")
Funny, I remember Kiel having metal teeth in that commercial. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/109 "2024-10-17T13:31:19Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Funny, I remember Kiel having metal teeth in that commercial… 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/110 "2024-10-20T19:40:04Z")
I’m so Mandela Effected I cant even remember if I’ve mentioned this in this very thread: A few months ago it was said that the first X-Men movie is the first appearance of “Magnetos helmet is what keeps Xavier from locating him and from psionic attacks” I lost my shit. I was SURE I’d seen it mentioned in X-Men 150 at least, or in other comics. Such as Beast prying the helmet off, getting blasted and then Xavier striking. NOPE. I looked and looked and looked. All wiped clean from the timeline. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/111 "2024-10-20T20:00:45Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > was SURE I’d seen it mentioned in X-Men 150 at least, or in other comics. So many Marvel spin-offs and what-ifs and such, it certainly could have been there somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/112 "2024-10-20T20:06:34Z")
The Wikipedia article about Magneto credits the idea of his helmet containing technology to block telepathy to Ultimate X-Men #6 (2001). [Magneto (Marvel Comics) - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(Marvel_Comics)) (Note 152) ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/113 "2024-10-21T00:27:42Z")
The first X-Men movie was released in 2000, so it pre-dated that comic issue. @Pavelb1 may be confusing Magneto with Juggernaut. Juggernaut’s helmet protecting him from mental attacks, and the need to pry it off to make him vulnerable to Professor X, goes back to the Lee and Kirby days. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/114 "2024-10-21T00:31:16Z")
I guessed as much. I wound up concluding that the comic in question was a retcon to match the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/115 "2024-10-21T01:25:54Z")
That sounds plausible. I remember Spidey fighting him and Juggernaut saying he had it bolted since his last encounter with the Xmen. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/116 "2025-03-26T11:56:52Z")
Bumping this one because I have proof this is a different universe! I am currently en route from Arizona to Wi, via Iowa. I am taking I 35 north from OKC through KC to Des Moines. I would swear I have taken this route at least twice before. But this time, I35 is a toll road! Wikipedia says it has _always_ been such. I would have remembered paying tolls, I hate toll roads. According to Wikipedia, it has only been fully automated since last year, after my most recent trip. But I never got a bill, if it were automated then. I’m stumped! There’s no other freeway-way to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/117 "2025-03-26T15:58:11Z")
In your defense only part of I-35 is a toll road. But in defense of the Mandela Effect, I-35 between the Oklahoma State Line and Emporia has always been a toll road. Maybe you just remember I-35 around Kansas City, where it’s free (and the southern part is pretty forgettable anyway, except for Wichita.) ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/118 "2025-03-26T16:50:26Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I got another one. I watched The Cube (original film) on cable, late 90’s. Most of it remains pretty memorable, if silly in the end analysis. I **clearly** recall the guy who played Nick Knight in Forever Knight as the cop who goes insane and starts trying to kill everybody, Geraint Wyn Davies. > > I idly surf to the Wikipedia page for the film today, casually look down the list of characters-and he is nowhere to be found. Instead there is a guy who looks nothing like him in the role that until now I don’t recall seeing in anything, Maurice Dean Wint. I’d remembered it as Marc Gomes (who I was familiar with from Crow: Stairway to Heaven - didn’t watch The Cube until a few years later), but hey, we all misremember stuff. Mandela Effect discussion always bugs me because no logic need apply - that one misrembered something or something is a logical mix-up is a forbidden response in some discussion spaces. For other major events - I have seen others bring up they recalled the Challenger explosion being in warmer weather (having been playing outside right before), but none could ever recall what caused the explosion in “their timeline.” ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/119 "2025-03-26T17:27:45Z")
Who was the first man to land on the moon in your universe? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/120 "2025-03-26T17:59:39Z")
Wait… what?!? Oh, man, I think I’m a couple of timelines away from home… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=7)