# The Mandela Effect is plaguing me again **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 20, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338 "2023-05-20T18:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/141 "2025-03-29T19:55:09Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > > [@TriPolar](#): > > > > No need to worry much, most stuff is the same. > > Good. That means Harris is president here, too. (o\_o) (\>\_\<) (o\_0) Oh, you poor thing… ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/142 "2025-04-08T19:11:28Z")
This might be the Mandela Effect or a shoddy memory but there are some things I wonder if I really saw. The first involves _The Honeymooners_, not so much the black-and-white sitcom episodes but the later color ones that were either sketches on Gleason’s variety show or stand-alone specials. I seem to recall there was an episode/sketch in which Ralph went on strike with his fellow bus drivers and, when he wasn’t out picketing, spent more time hanging around the apartment and annoying Alice while she was doing housekeeping. The second is about a series of sketches on SNL that featured Phil Hartman, “The Anal Retentive \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.” In one, he was a chef, In another, he was a carpenter. Was there one where he was a gardener? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/143 "2025-04-08T19:14:27Z")
Tony Nelson. Of note, his wife Jeannie is really pretty. She dresses like she’s from the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/144 "2025-04-08T20:36:10Z")
And so is her twin sister. ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/145 "2025-04-08T20:51:56Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > The second is about a series of sketches on SNL that featured Phil Hartman, “The Anal Retentive \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.” In one, he was a chef, In another, he was a carpenter. Was there one where he was a gardener? Are you asking if this happened? > **[Recurring Saturday Night Live characters and sketches introduced 1988–89 | Cooking with the Anal Retentive Chef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurring_Saturday_Night_Live_characters_and_sketches_introduced_1988%E2%80%9389#Cooking_with_the_Anal_Retentive_Chef)** > > This series of sketches featured Phil Hartman as Gene, a fastidious chef who could not bear to be in the presence of anything cluttered or dirty. After peeling some vegetables he advised throwing the peels away by wrapping them in paper toweling, then aluminum foil, then putting them in a paper bag that was then to be sealed with scotch tape. Gene never completed any of his recipes; he always became too distracted by the effects of his psychological complex, and ran out of time. The majority o ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/146 "2025-04-08T20:53:28Z")
> [@caligulathegod](#): > > Are you asking if this happened? I know it happened. I was just wondering if one of the sketches had him as a gardener. ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/147 "2025-04-08T20:55:52Z")
Right. It’s in the article.Obviously, the sketch existed.The preview cut off on the relevant sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/148 "2025-04-08T21:00:17Z")
Remember when it used to be called the “Mandala Effect”? ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/149 "2025-04-08T21:03:15Z")
One thing, no one remembers when it was, “I could possibly be misremembering this.” ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/150 "2025-04-11T18:00:53Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Ann Jillian died of breast cancer. That’s why she fell off the face of the earth. now she didn’t. She did get breast cancer but she didnt die. I’d guess many people were confusing Ann Jillian with Jill Ireland. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/151 "2025-07-24T15:56:48Z")
Talking about _Moonraker_ in the other thread got me to read the wikipedia article. This is fascinating: " Significant debate and discussion surrounds a scene in _Moonraker_, with some claiming it to potentially have been changed, subject to a supposed phenomenon called the [Mandela effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela_effect). In one comedic scene of the film, the villain Jaws encounters a short blonde geeky woman, Dolly (played by Blanche Ravalec), who becomes his girlfriend. … In the scene, Jaws smiles at Dolly with his metal teeth, while she smiles back at him. Many fans of the film claim that they recall Dolly having metal braces during her smile, in what would have been a joke about both individuals possessing metal teeth…However, Ravalec wrote in 2016 that she never wore braces in the film." I would have sworn, to this very day, that she had braces. I noticed it the first time I watched it in 1979. I thought it was a nice touch, one successful funny bit in a film with lots of funny fail. Now I don’t know what to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/152 "2025-07-24T15:59:44Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I would have sworn, to this very day, that she had braces. I noticed it the first time I watched it in 1979. I thought it was a nice touch, one successful funny bit in a film with lots of funny fail. Yeah, this one is a big one for me. She didn’t have braces. I know, that make a great gag, but she really didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/153 "2025-07-24T16:03:04Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > but she really didn’t. …that’s what _they_ want you to believe! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/154 "2025-07-24T16:06:23Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Now I don’t know what to believe. All scenes show her without braces, no scenes show her _with_ braces and nobody who claims that she wore braces in the scene can back it up. That should help you to decide what to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/155 "2025-07-24T17:52:36Z")
The problem withe braces one is that people have photoshopped her with braces now to make things more frustrating. [![](https://centerforinquiry.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2024/08/08095441/West-mandela-effect-2.jpg) ](https://centerforinquiry.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2024/08/08095441/West-mandela-effect-2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/156 "2025-07-24T19:18:04Z")
I’m amazed how many people remember it like me. Whole websites dedicated to it. People swearing they remember it just like me, not on video but in the theater. It seems bigger than the alternate ending to _Big_. I find the whole phenomenon fascinating, even without me being on the wrong side (or is it?) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/157 "2025-07-24T19:40:45Z")
More broadly, the problem is that every quote, every image and every video on the Internet is now questionable. People have never let the truth stand in the way of a good story; we’re going back to the days of memory decaying to legend decaying to myth. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/158 "2025-07-24T21:45:35Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I find the whole phenomenon fascinating, even without me being on the wrong side (or is it?) And I find it likely that someone did a relatively well known parody scene around that time where the fake actress did have braces, and that is what you should be looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/159 "2025-07-24T23:01:16Z")
If thousands of people say the moon is square, and have dedicated much web space to this opinion, what shape is the moon? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2025, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/160 "2025-07-25T04:07:27Z")
Here’s my Mandela Effect. I could have sworn that Peter Parker’s Aunt was Aunt Mae but in the last few years I have seen it spelt May. Am I crazy? Didn’t it used to be Mae? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338.md?page=9)