# The Mandela effect on YOU **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** movies, music\ **Created:** [October 24, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254 "2025-10-24T17:08:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2025, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/21 "2025-10-25T12:21:02Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I’ve done searches and nothing resembling this story exists. Luke 7 doesn’t really match, but isn’t a million miles away from it — if you swap in ‘Pharisee’ for ‘Philistine’, and if you swap in Jesus pointing out that, _hey, man, you didn’t actually give me water for my feet when I showed up here for dinner like you’d asked, and then you saw this here sinner wash and wipe my feet, and THAT sparks criticism from you?_ ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/22 "2025-10-25T12:27:22Z")
I have distinct childhood memories of seeing Springfield identified on maps as the capital of Massachusetts. It’s possible that I saw this on an inaccurately labeled map, but more likely that I got a wire crossed between “Springfield is a city in Massachusetts” and “Springfield is the capital of Illinois.” ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/23 "2025-10-25T12:36:15Z")
> [@caligulathegod](#): > > I have no idea how people got the impression he had died in prison. > [@themapleleaf](#): > > I think much has been made of this Mandela Effect, but on the whole, it fails to wow me. The thing is, most cases seem to have a simple explanation: the things that tend to fall prey to the Mandela Effect tend to be similar to other things that contain the element that people think they remember and that isn’t there, and so many people associate that same thing with the element lacking in it that occurs in the similar thing, creating collective false memories. My theory: a white woman who was once casually familiar with developments in South Africa couldn’t tell apart two black men with vaguely similar backstories years later. And rather than just attribute her misunderstanding to some combination of misremembering, racism, overconfidence, and/or collective rationalization (how other people she spoke with supposedly shared her memory of Mandela dying in prison even after he became the freaking President of South Africa), we bend over backwards to invent an entirely new, _supernatural_ phenomenon so that she doesn’t have to feel embarrassed… about not being able to tell two black men apart. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/24 "2025-10-25T13:30:34Z")
I’m still stumped by this one. It may have to wait until another trip and I can look at the roads in person. Looking at a map only, I can’t figure it out. > [@The Mandela Effect is plaguing me again](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/116): > > Bumping this one because I have proof this is a different universe! I am currently en route from Arizona to Wi, via Iowa. I am taking I 35 north from OKC through KC to Des Moines. I would swear I have taken this route at least twice before. But this time, I35 is a toll road! Wikipedia says it has always been such. I would have remembered paying tolls, I hate toll roads. According to Wikipedia, it has only been fully automated since last year, after my most recent trip. But I never got a bill, … eta: I found this one, tooo. > [@The Mandela Effect is plaguing me again](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-is-plaguing-me-again/984338/151): > > Talking about Moonraker in the other thread got me to read the wikipedia article. This is fascinating: " Significant debate and discussion surrounds a scene in Moonraker, with some claiming it to potentially have been changed, subject to a supposed phenomenon called the [Mandela effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela_effect). In one comedic scene of the film, the villain Jaws encounters a short blonde geeky woman, Dolly (played by Blanche Ravalec), who becomes his girlfriend. … In the scene, Jaws smiles at Dolly with his metal teeth, … Despite being chastised, I still “feel” I am right. The Mandela effect is insidious! ---
**Author:** ![themapleleaf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/themapleleaf/32/14349_2.png) [@themapleleaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/themapleleaf)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/25 "2025-10-25T14:25:19Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I may be an atheist, but there are still passages of the Bible I like. One was where Jesus was invited to dinner by a Philistine who didn’t provide him with a napkin, then scolded him for not wiping his face. Jesus read him the riot act for favoring form over substance. > > It didn’t happen. I’ve done searches and nothing resembling this story exists. Why did I think it did? As a fellow atheist who is an ex-Christian, I can recall multiple stories in the gospels where something happens at a dinner or other visit by Jesus to this or that follower’s house. For example the one where the penitent “loose woman” put oil on Jesus’ feet and wiped it off with her hair, and when the disciples scolded her for buying expensive oil with money that could have been given to the poor, Jesus said “you always have the poor but you only have me for a while.” Or the time when the wealthy man who would have been seen as a sinner by Jesus’ followers was hosting Jesus and declared that he would give half his wealth to the poor, causing Jesus to pronounce: “Today, salvation has come to this house.” Both stories teach a moral lesson. Perhaps you conflated one of these gospel episodes in your mind with another story, passage or lesson about form over substance? > [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > I have distinct childhood memories of seeing Springfield identified on maps as the capital of Massachusetts. It’s possible that I saw this on an inaccurately labeled map, but more likely that I got a wire crossed between “Springfield is a city in Massachusetts” and “Springfield is the capital of Illinois.” Up until only a few years ago, I thought that there were two big cities called Baltimore in the USA: one in Ohio and one in Maryland (I’m Canadian). It was only due to a conversation with an American colleague where, in some context, I mentioned “Baltimore, Ohio”, that I found out there weren’t (I would have been thinking about the one in Maryland). There is a Baltimore in Ohio, but it’s just a village. But in this particular case, I know exactly where I got this confusion from. From the B & O (Baltimore and Ohio) Railroad. Clearly the company’s name caused me to conflate the two toponyms in my mind, and little wonder, for the first denotes a city and the second a whole state. Given that there are some 93 Springfields in the USA and some 7 in Canada, (why do you think Matt Groenig named the Simpsons’ city Springfield?) I’m not surprised you somehow developed the notion that the capital of Massachusetts was Springfield (note also that that name can be associated with early American history - think for example of the Springfield rifle - and Massachussetts is in New England, one of the older parts of the USA). Our minds seem to be good at conflating memories. I can remember quite a few times when I misremembered something as existing somewhere where it actually didn’t. [Back in 2022, I actually posted a question about this,](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-examples-likely-to-be-conflated-memories-or-dreams-of-memories/961803) but received no responses. I summarize three interesting examples I mentioned there, all connected with car rides with my parents: - I have a memory of being six years old and being driven to school on a very gloomy morning and seeing fire hydrants of a type that occurred in Downtown Toronto but not in the then-City of North York where we lived lining the street. I should mention that as a boy, I was fascinated by things like the difference in shape of fire hydrants in different parts of town. Was this a dream of a mundane ride to school? An actual ride during which I was groggy and half-asleep, causing me to misinterpret the hydrants I saw? Or did I just conflate a memory of a ride to school on a particularly dark morning during which I saw the real hydrants (and perhaps remembered the different model while looking at them) with a memory of the hydrants in another part of town? - As a teenager, on a car trip, I noted a coffee and donut shop called “the Dutch Master”, which I had never seen before. For some reason, I associated it with one major Toronto street, and wondered why a cafe that I knew of on this street was not “the Dutch Master” when I passed by it later. Many years later, I found myself on the actual street of “the Dutch Master” and saw the cafe again, and realized that it was located on a street quite far away from where I had remembered it to be, near the place where my parents used to work. - I have a memory of driving past a strip mall in the Jane and Finch area of Toronto at around the age of 18 and seeing a row of flagpoles on the roof that were never there in real life, and being surprised to see a row of Dutch flags on them. For years, I wondered if I had dreamed this. Many years later, I was taking a bus ride a few kilometers back on the same street, and saw a used car lot that did indeed have a row of flags on the roof, you’ve seen these - with three horizontal stripes, red, white and blue, and “USED CARS” written on the white stripe. If you removed the writing, you’d have a Dutch flag. Now I know that at 18, my family went to that area (where we had lived in the past but which we no longer regularly frequented) for Boxing Week sales. Perhaps I noted the flags on the correct building and genuinely thought they were Dutch flags, or was at least strongly reminded of them, and later associated them with the strip mall more familiar to me, either in a dream or by memories being conflated? ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/26 "2025-10-25T15:32:13Z")
> [@themapleleaf](#): > > Our minds seem to be good at conflating memories. I spent decades thinking I had watched _Guyana Tragedy: The Story of Jim Jones_ (the movie about Peoples Temple starring Powers Boothe) with my father. Problem there is that that movie aired for the first time several weeks after my father died. I’ve since figured out that as a ten-year-old for whom 1980 was a rotten year, I probably mentally scrambled together 1978 news coverage, possibly _Guyana: Cult of the Damned_ (aired about 2 months before my father’s death), and a later viewing of _Guyana Tragedy_. The two fictionalized versions would have covered the same plot, with similar-looking lead actors. Easy enough to jumble all that together. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/27 "2025-10-25T16:33:11Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > but my entire life, I’ve been regularly called by the wrong name. The same wrong name. Both my daughter and I have also had this happen all our lives! In my case, the wrong name begins with the same letter, but every other letter is wrong, and it sounds nothing like my actual name. In my daughter’s case, the consonants are different (including the first letter). ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/28 "2025-10-27T17:06:54Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > It’s maybe not exactly the same thing, but my entire life, I’ve been regularly called by the wrong name. The same wrong name. I have gotten called Paul A LOT in my life. Started in late elementary school. It is so frequent that I give that name if Im ever in a situation where I should/could give a false name. I think it was in college it happened and I found out that there was a Paul at my school that looked a lot like me. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/29 "2025-10-27T17:27:05Z")
> [@themapleleaf](#): > > Our minds seem to be good at conflating memories Totally. For me it’s the deaths of Freddie Mercury and Aryton Senna, two huge events in my childhood. In my memory these were separated by a few weeks or days, I even have memory of my school friends tell awful homophobic jokes comparing the two. But they were separated by three years (half a lifetime at that age). ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2025, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/30 "2025-10-27T23:25:02Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I have gotten called Paul A LOT in my life. For a while there was a bunch of people who called me Tony. Three separate people within a year or two. There must have been some other guy I reminded them of. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/31 "2025-10-28T00:05:06Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > It’s maybe not exactly the same thing, but my entire life, I’ve been regularly called by the wrong name. The same wrong name. I have a friend named Stephanie, and she’s constantly being called Jennifer for no apparent reason. It happens so often that I made her a mug (I’m a potter) with **Jennifer** crossed out on one side and **Stephanie** on the other. ---
**Author:** ![melaniethewitch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melaniethewitch/32/18930_2.png) [@melaniethewitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melaniethewitch)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254/32 "2025-12-12T17:17:24Z")
Another for your brains, curious George never had a tail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandela-effect-on-you/1024254.md?page=1)