"The Martian Chronicles" is either a clumsy fix-up or a brilliant satire, and I'm not sure which but maybe it's both: A very belated book report

I agree with both counts- Bradbury may be a great writer 9or not) but he most certainly is not “the Dean of SF” and RAH certainly qualifies.

Good point.

Not all of Steinbeck is depressing but man, he could depress a hyena. I just checks his novellas, often taught in Scholls- all depressing. Bradbury- sigh.

While i agree with the first part, the child should get some of Twains shorter works (or excerpts from Tom Sawyer, etc), or Edgar Eager (Half Magic, Time garden, etc), maybe even Narnia. I like Harry Potter, but those books are THICK.

I say Huckleberry Finn, but both are High School books.

I am one of the few people in the world who has subjected themselves to the misery of reading every mainstream newspaper and magazine article on science fiction through the 1950s. More misery than tedium, as the number of such stories that mentioned the field in any other context than possible submissions to pulp magazines probably could be counted on one had before WWII.

Time ran a piece on the field in 1939, two years into John Campbell’s reign.

Scientifiction’s fans, mostly boys of 16 to 20, are the jitterbugs of the pulp magazine field. Many keep every issue, and a copy of the magazine’s first issue often fetches $25 from collectors. Publishers soon discovered another odd fact about their readers: They are exceptionally articulate. Most of these magazines have letters columns, in which readers appraise stories. Sample: “Gosh! Wow! Boyoh-boy!, and so forth and so on. Yesiree, yesiree, it’s the greatest in the land and the best that’s on the stand, and I do mean THRILLING WONDER STORIES, and especially that great, magnificent, glorious, most thrilling June issue of the mosta and the besta of science fiction magazines.”

Condescending as that might be, it wasn’t completely wrong. SF readers were primarily boys of 16-20, with an entry age of around 13. (The Golden Age of science fiction is 13, as the saying goes.) SF was meant to be young adult fiction. Except for a fraction of Campbell’s authors, the writers wrote young adult prose. While YA can at rare moments be literature, the vast majority of it never has been or been intended to.

No other genre, mysteries, westerns, romance, the Big Three at the time, would tolerate such awful writing. SF was read for ideas, thinly slathered with bad prose and flat characters. Ideas went a long way and carried the field for decades. Fortunately for sf, that notion has been mostly squashed. But so has hard sf. Superheroes, fantasy, and horror have crushed it. Since I’m not a teenager any more, I’m glad.

Altho I agree with much of your well written post here, I have read quite a bit of pulp mysteries and some pulp westerns, and they were just as bad if not worse than Pulp SF. And those cheapo bodice ripper romances are even worse. Have you read any Doc Savage or other Pulp heroes?

That’s odd; all the English teachers I’ve ever heard from are trying to tamp down on adjectives and adverbs. They’d rather see a story told through vigorous verbs and specific nouns. Where are you finding English teachers with a preference for adjectives and adverbs?

I’ve read many pulps of all descriptions. I stand by my statement. Pre-war pulp SF was worse than other genres.

Pulp magazines weren’t the only outlet. Genre novels were published in hardback by the hundreds. SF couldn’t meet the minimum standards for publication. Only a handful saw mainstream releases. Philip Wylie was by far the most recognized sf writer in the country because of his novels, including Gladiator, a major inspiration for Superman. I don’t think he ever published in sf magazines, but his “The Paradise Crater,” published in the prestige fiction pulp Blue Book in the October 1945 issue, is probably the single finest extrapolation of a future society in the 1940s. Not much characterization but a beautifully worked out and coherent near future (except for the atomic bombs which he couldn’t know any real information about at the time of writing). And I’m not a Wylie fan.

The same place they’re finding no adjectives and adverbs in Asimov? Hemingway he wasn’t.

Nitpick, none of Shackleton’s crew died.

Random quote from Asimov with adverbs and adjectives highlighted.

Theremon was experienced enough in worldly things to understand that no amount of smooth talk was persuasive enough to break through barriers that were so determinedly maintained. He had long ago decided that no worthwhile woman could ever be seduced; you could present the possibility to them, but you had to leave it ultimately to them to do the seducing for you, and if they weren’t so minded, there was very little you could do to change their outlook. And with Siferra, things had been sliding in the wrong direction for him all year long. She had turned on him ferociously—and with some justification, he thought ruefully—once he began his misguided campaign of mockery against Athor and the Observatory group

I don’t think it’s so much that English teachers are on a campaign against adjectives and adverbs, but just that overuse of them is a very common mistake, which they’re trying to moderate.

Time to start teaching kids Lovecraft, then. :slight_smile:

That would be unimaginable, innominable, aberrant, abominable, bizarre, chaotic, deformed, diseased, eldritch, foul, ghastly, grotesque, loathsome…

True. And if any had, those would not be the folks enlisting in the British Army after they returned.

Maybe sloppy slang on my part, but my intent was that these folks were seen as, and saw themselves as, expendable laborers on the expedition. They were not scientists or renowned explorers.

Once back home in Britain, they needed to find working class jobs for their working class selves. Which in that era included many actively dangerous jobs where workers were largely considered expendable.

In that milieu someone enlisting in the Army to go fight the jolly much looked-forward to little tiff in Europe that eventually became WW-I would be right in character. It was only a year or 2 later that the true horror of WW-I would penetrate the common public consciousness.

Concur across the board, I just remember being stunned at the time.

How could you leave out “squamous” and “gibbous”? Can’t have a Lovecraft story without a gibbous moon.

And batrachian

You need to work cyclopean in there, too.

Not to mention squamous.

“I already said squamous.”

“I like squamous.”

Because I started writing them from memory and then took the rest from an alphabetical list of Lovecraftian adjectives I found on the net and I took the first 11…

hangs heads in shame

For many people Space = Science Fiction, but what they are doing in space is everything. If the story isn’t concerned about the human implications of technology it’s just a setting.

Star Wars for instance is opera in space.

But Space Fable is a new one I had not considered and yet fits perfectly for MC.

Star Wars is fantasy, not SF, it even starts “A long time ago in a kingdom galaxy far far away”…