# The Marvelous Ms. Marvel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/1 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")
The trailer looks fun. Iman Vellani looks like a good fit for the character. If they follow the usual D+ Marvel shows, it will have a great first couple of episodes, some bloat in the middle, and a “huh” ending. I hope they figure that out and stick the landing. I also find it interesting that for the MCU she went from shapeshifting powers to energy manipulation. I wonder if they will change up that she is Inhuman. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/m9EX0f6V11Y/maxresdefault.jpg "Marvel Studios’ Ms. Marvel | Official Trailer | Disney+") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9EX0f6V11Y) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/2 "2022-03-15T15:48:54Z")
Yeah, I am curious as to the reason for her power change, but perhaps they were concerned it would look silly? > [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I wonder if they will change up that she is Inhuman. After that series tanked, I expect they’ll give her cosmic powers to tie her in with Carol. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/3 "2022-03-15T16:58:10Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Yeah, I am curious as to the reason for her power change, but perhaps they were concerned it would look silly? Quite possibly, or they wanted to avoid comparisons with Elasti-Girl (or Mr Fantastic, Plastic-Man, etc). ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/4 "2022-03-15T17:06:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > …they wanted to avoid comparisons with … Mr Fantastic… Seeing as they’re definitely introducing the Fantastic Four at some point, the reason is most likely this. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/5 "2022-03-15T17:29:08Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I wonder if they will change up that she is Inhuman. The Inhuman thing was related to previous Marvel boss Ike Perlmutter (a walking tumor if there ever was one) trying to pump up an alternative super-team to replace the X-Men in multi media ventures because he assumed he’d never get the screen rights back from Fox. Kevin Feige is distancing himself from Inhumans stuff in a hurry now that he has the steering wheel. Note that the Eternals movie was originally an Inhumans project under Perlmutter and Feige pivoted more or less instantly. This feels to me like more of the same. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/6 "2022-03-15T18:14:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Quite possibly, or they wanted to avoid comparisons with Elasti-Girl (or Mr Fantastic, Plastic-Man, etc). Other than knowing who she is, I know nothing about her powers. Is the stretchy power the only one she had in the original comics? > [@planetcory](#): > > Seeing as they’re definitely introducing the Fantastic Four at some point, the reason is most likely this. Is this a fact now? I thought the reason we got the shitty Fantastic 4 movies is because another studio still had the rights. > [@Cervaise](#): > > This feels to me like more of the same. I don’t understand this. Pivoting from what to what? Is this show not a Feige thing? I’m surprised they kept the costume looking like it’s from the 1950s. Still looking forward to seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/7 "2022-03-15T18:55:10Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Pivoting from what to what? With Ms Marvel, Feige appears to be continuing his pivot away from anything Inhumans-related (as driven by Perlmutter), including this character’s origin story established in the comics, and toward the cosmic-near-magic tech thing that unifies (most of) the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/8 "2022-03-15T19:01:48Z")
Yeah I’m going with a mixture of “Don’t want to upstage Mr. Fantastic when he finally arrives in the MCU” and “Stretchy powers look inherently goofy” Of course, it’s probably fine for a young character to look goofy but honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if MCU Mr. Fantastic also doesn’t stretch and has some other powerset instead. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/9 "2022-03-15T19:06:10Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Is this a fact now? I thought the reason we got the shitty Fantastic 4 movies is because another studio still had the rights. They did. Then Disney bought them (Fox). They’ve already been announced in the MCU (with no specific date yet). ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/10 "2022-03-15T19:11:34Z")
Thanks! I’m onboard with dropping Inhumans related stuff from all Marvel shows/movies going forward. I also agree with your opinion of Perlmutter. What a piece of shit he is. > [@planetcory](#): > > They did. Then Disney bought them (Fox). They’ve already been announced in the MCU (with no specific date yet). Excellent. Maybe we can actually get a watchable FF4 series/movie now. It’s hard to keep up with who owns who these days. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/11 "2022-03-15T19:16:00Z")
Just default to Disney. 90% of the time you’ll be right. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/12 "2022-03-15T19:17:31Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Yeah, I am curious as to the reason for her power change, but perhaps they were concerned it would look silly? Somewhere between “silly” and “absolute body horror,” I suspect. I’m also wondering if they’re changing her origin to connect her powers to to Captain Marvel’s similar “generic energy” powers. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/13 "2022-03-15T19:18:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Somewhere between “silly” and “absolute body horror,” I suspect. And possibly more expensive to animate realistically than some glowy energy stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/14 "2022-03-15T19:21:20Z")
> [@Mr.E](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if MCU Mr. Fantastic also doesn’t stretch and has some other powerset instead. I doubt they’d change that, but they might de-emphasize it (as the comics largely have) in favor of “his real super ability is being one of the world’s greatest geniuses” (particularly since Tony Stark, one of the few who compete in that regard, is dead in the MCU). ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/15 "2022-03-15T19:28:57Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > > [@Miller](#): > > > > Somewhere between “silly” and “absolute body horror,” I suspect. > > And possibly more expensive to animate realistically than some glowy energy stuff. They did have Plastic Man on _Arrow_ for a couple of years and the effects were pretty poor. Mostly it came across as flat looking, even when he would blow himself up into a giant ball. I’m not sure what the FX budget was, but I assume it was pretty low because it was a CW show. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/16 "2022-03-15T20:53:56Z")
I am not enthused by that trailer. Not the crackly lightning parts and not the scribbling over the scenes parts (please tell me that’s just for the trailer). The cuts are too quick to tell practicaly anything about it, but casting looks fine, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/17 "2022-03-15T21:10:37Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Other than knowing who she is, I know nothing about her powers. Is the stretchy power the only one she had in the original comics? She _used_ to have more, but apparently the powers went off to live with Chuck Cunningham. > **[Ms. Marvel's Forgotten Superpower Is Her Most Dangerous One](https://screenrant.com/ms-marvel-most-dangerous-power-shapeshifting/)** > > Embiggening isn't as good as endifferenting. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/18 "2022-03-15T21:25:41Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > She _used_ to have more, but apparently the powers went off to live with Chuck Cunningham. > > [https://screenrant.com/ms-marvel-most-dangerous-power-shapeshifting/](https://screenrant.com/ms-marvel-most-dangerous-power-shapeshifting/) I’m surprised she didn’t get them back when Chuck died last year. I hope whoever picked up the shape shifting stuff puts it to better use than Chuck did. From what I understand, he only used it to prank children. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/19 "2022-03-16T00:36:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m also wondering if they’re changing her origin to connect her powers to to Captain Marvel’s similar “generic energy” powers. That’d be my guess, basically going for commonality with Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, and Monica. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/20 "2022-06-08T21:12:40Z")
I think the first episode was pretty well made. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=2)