# The Marvelous Ms. Marvel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/181 "2022-06-29T01:56:44Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Both created in the same several year period during WWII, not only costumed in red white and lots of blue, but both more defined by their uncompromising values than anything else. Yes immigrant or child of. Those are some pretty slim similarities for a “rehash.” One of them is just flat out wrong - Superman doesn’t have any white in his costume. His color scheme is blue/red with a yellow accent behind his chest emblem. And “immigrant” versus “child of immigrants” serve two very different narrative functions. I wouldn’t call that a similarity at all. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/182 "2022-06-29T13:00:33Z")
The latest episode was…middling. It’s hard to jump from a much more “adult” series like Moon Knight to one intended for younger viewers, and they’re not making the Djinn seem very formidable (or Damage Control, for that matter). Iman’s doing well in the fight choreography (if she’s doing most of it). Karachi’s very pretty, though. Red Dagger’s actor didn’t blow me away, either. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/183 "2022-06-29T19:30:41Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Karachi’s very pretty, though. Funny, during the chase scene I was thinking just the opposite. No trees, no greenery, just an endless maze of tightly packed, crowded, narrow streets. It would be like living in Hell for me. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/184 "2022-06-29T20:56:53Z")
I just learned that some of it (the street scenes I’d guess) was filmed in Thailand, so never mind. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/185 "2022-06-29T21:40:36Z")
I wasn’t crazy about this episode. There’s a difference between "a super-hero show set against the backdrop of a culture I’m not familiar with, where along the way I learn about things like the partition of India and “a super-hero show where the actions stops and the grandmother turns and effectively looks at the camera and lectures us”. That conversation didn’t feel organic at ALL. Very much breaking the rule of show-don’t-tell. The action and scenery and general ambiance was fun, and the lead actress continues to be great, but the plotting here felt very casual and rote. So she follows a clue to a train station (which turns out not to be relevant at all, at least in the present time), and then someone who is a deadly knife thrower throws a knife at her _and misses_, and then they flirt-fight, and then it turns out there’s a whole secret organization of super karate fighters with super-high-tech, but also there’s only two of them, yada yada yada. Definitely the weakest episode of the season so far. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/186 "2022-06-29T21:44:03Z")
This villains are just not cutting it for me. They can barely handle regular humans, a completely untrained girl wipes the floor with them. The comic relief Trust-a-Bro gang was more threatening. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/187 "2022-06-30T00:33:56Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Definitely the weakest episode of the season so far. Joining the chorus. Kamala is a great character and her mother is still a fun play on the immigrant mother trope (any ethnicity, It’s been Yiddishe bubbies to Greek moms, it’s all the same trope) But the show left the other fun characters behind … for knife boy? and a travelogue promoting Karachi and different food staples. (Kamala doesn’t know if biryani is spicy or not? Really?). A weak filler but hopefully it finds its stride again. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/188 "2022-06-30T00:41:10Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I wasn’t crazy about this episode. I’ve read every issue of _Ms. Marvel_ and (her version of) _The Defenders_. As far as I can recall? Not one car chase. It is such a tired, bland action movie trope. That’s much of the reason I don’t watch the MCU movies—they seem so dumbed-down and blandified. (Much like the dissappointing _Runaways_ series. What is more interesting for an enemy—giant, soul eating ancient Aztec gods intent on destroying the world, or an alien guy and Roxon?) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/189 "2022-06-30T00:48:11Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But the show left the other fun characters behind … for knife boy? Loosely based on a character from the comics. > **[Red Dagger | Character Close Up | Marvel Comic Reading List](https://www.marvel.com/comics/guides/2284/red-dagger)** > > Marvel.com is the official site of Marvel Entertainment! Browse official Marvel movies, characters, comics, TV shows, videos, & more. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/190 "2022-06-30T00:59:03Z")
He also threw a knife at her head! > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > That’s much of the reason I don’t watch the MCU movies—they seem so dumbed-down and blandified. Eh, that can vary. Winter Soldier is pretty fun, for one. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/191 "2022-06-30T12:10:06Z")
Yes, that last super-secret organization with a cute guy Kamala’s age turned out to be evil. But _this_ super-secret organization with a cute guy Kamala’s age is totally trustworthy! Why would she think otherwise for even a second? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/192 "2022-06-30T13:16:34Z")
Teenager. She’s really racking up the love interests isn’t she? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/193 "2022-07-01T02:10:22Z")
The car chase had a wide truck alongside the small maneuverable vehicle our heroes were in (on a fairly narrow roadway betwwen buildings). That’s when the locally knowledgeable hero slows down and turns around to go the other was - it will be a long time before the truck gets back to them (if at all). ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/194 "2022-07-06T19:41:21Z")
_Ms. Marvel_ the comic, while sometimes tackling serious issues, was usually lighter, funnier, and more self-aware of being a comic book. With the last few episodes of the TV series it has squeezed out any of this lightness and takes itself very, very, very seriously. It started off with potential, but I think it has crossed the line into being crap. ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/195 "2022-07-06T22:08:19Z")
Several plot points seemed rather random in this episode. I think I have whiplash from Najma changing from being a fanatic willing to let humanity die into someone willing to sacrifice herself to save someone else. Huh? Why did the Noor portal unexpectedly open and destroy the two Clandestines? Why did it power up Kamran? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/196 "2022-07-06T22:20:23Z")
Why did Kamala get teleported into a _Doctor Who_ episode? ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/197 "2022-07-06T22:27:09Z")
Because, hey, let’s just throw in time travel, too! And we can make it sort of a paradox where Kamala created the circumstances that will bring herself into being! Why not! She should have caused a full time crisis by stealing the earlier version of the bangle so she could have a matching set! ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/198 "2022-07-06T22:55:44Z")
> [@Retzbu\_Tox](#): > > Why did it power up Kamran? I assumed his mother dying powered him up somehow. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/199 "2022-07-07T00:16:19Z")
I’m in the clear minority liking this episode. No comic awareness to compare to but a few serious notes don’t bother me and it still has plenty of silliness. The mother stating how should would microchip if it was legal and the reaction to find my phone was great. Portal opened because of the force that transported her back but it is not a doorway back. Najma realized that the long hoped doorway won’t happen. And with no way there realizes that her only family left is her son who she has left behind. Magic wish upon her death transfers her powers and closes it. Okay convenient. But she’s a murdering obsessed fanatic. There was no redemption other than sacrificing her life. Way better than last week. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/200 "2022-07-07T00:18:43Z")
Do we know that they were destroyed? Or were perhaps their human bodies destroyed, reducing (or elevating?) them to pure Noor, which would allow them to return home? If the latter is the case, then Najma did not sacrifice herself, but she passed on Noor power to Kamran so he could eventually find his way back home as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=11)