# The Marvelous Ms. Marvel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/201 "2022-07-07T01:10:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > the reaction to find my phone was great. Yes, that was great! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/202 "2022-07-07T01:51:08Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > No comic awareness to compare to but a few serious notes don’t bother me and it still has plenty of silliness. Comparison? Ms. Marvel’s first Big Bad in the comics was a Thomas Edison/cockatiel hybrid who weaponized sewer alligators. Wolverine guest-starred in that story arc. [https://screenrant.com/ms-marvel-had-the-weirdest-villain-in-all-of-comics/](https://screenrant.com/ms-marvel-had-the-weirdest-villain-in-all-of-comics/) Also, as mentioned before, there is a dog with a tuning fork on its head. [![](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wg_CR_nzess/VnjRYFQM9XI/AAAAAAAAVJo/8EDhhfQ0pDA/s1600-Ic42/RCO008.jpg) ](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wg_CR_nzess/VnjRYFQM9XI/AAAAAAAAVJo/8EDhhfQ0pDA/s1600-Ic42/RCO008.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/203 "2022-07-07T02:18:19Z")
Sorry. I mean that I have no awareness of the comics to compare to. Other than what has been linked to here. For me and maybe a few others this gets judged on its own merits not on how well or accurately it compares to the comics. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/204 "2022-07-07T02:26:34Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Sorry. I mean that I have no awareness of the comics to compare to. I know, I was giving examples. But just comparing the series to the series, leaving Jersey City was a total shift in both visual style and tone—and not in a good way. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/205 "2022-07-07T06:26:59Z")
I think that, structurally, it was the weakest of the five episodes we’ve been so far. But it was still enjoyable. Little details I liked: - the microchip line - the “find my phone” bit - Kamala’s necklace breaking, and making the symbol she uses on her actual costume I also like that her mother found out that she has powers. It’ll be interesting to see an “overprotective mother/superhero teenager” relationship form. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/206 "2022-07-07T12:18:18Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Also, as mentioned before, there is a dog with a tuning fork on its head. That is Lockjaw and he is adorable. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/207 "2022-07-07T12:56:29Z")
He’s also not unique to Ms. Marvel. He goes all the way back to Stan & Jack Fantastic Four. How adorable he is depends on who’s writing him. I agree that the premise of this episode seemed a bit confused. The trip to Karachi and the time travel seems like a big veering away from the story that was being set up in the first few episodes. So now I guess we’ve got one episode left to wrap up things with Damage Control, plus see whether Bruno decides to go to CalTech or stay around and fess up to Kamala that he likes her. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/208 "2022-07-07T13:11:20Z")
I’m hoping they’re going to get a season 2. Lately, Marvel has the issue where many of their series could and perhaps should have been movies, and their movies could and perhaps should have been series. A Multiverse of Madness series could have been great, and FATWS could have been tightened into a movie. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/209 "2022-07-07T13:19:20Z")
I’m hoping that as well, even though I have found this first season a bit lackluster. Iman Vellani is a find, and hopefully has a great career ahead of her. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/210 "2022-07-07T13:46:14Z")
Yes all around there have been some pretty solid performances, but she’s certainly amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/211 "2022-07-07T16:32:59Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > The trip to Karachi and the time travel seems like a big veering away from the story that was being set up in the first few episodes. Almost to the point that I wonder whether it was just some unused script one of the writers had still lying around, and decided to just ram it in there edgewise, papering over the cracks with chewing gum and toothpicks. Anyway, I’m not sure where that leaves us. The djinn-threat has been resolved, as has the past of Kamala’s family, which leaves the only left over plot thread that initiated in this episode when Kamran gets powers because his mother… wished very hard? And it’s going to be the season finale, right? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/212 "2022-07-07T16:50:07Z")
I am enjoying this show and I am appreciating how it is teaching me about aspects of Indian/Pakistani history I knew nothing about. I will say this story seems a little over stuffed and I think the show would have been better served to save the trip to Karachi for a season two. I was also a little confused about the Clandestine leader’s quick change of heart. When she said she had a way to close the portal I thought for sure she was going to try to sacrifice Kamala to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/213 "2022-07-07T17:15:44Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I was also a little confused about the Clandestine leader’s quick change of heart. [![](https://i.imgur.com/PpPGN7T.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/PpPGN7T.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/214 "2022-07-08T22:52:10Z")
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey. > [@DSeid](#): > > The mother stating how should would microchip if it was legal and the reaction to find my phone was great. In addition, there’s a moment when Mom and Grandma arrive to find Kamala, and mom’s reaction to “Hey, my daughter’s okay, and has powers” is interrupted by a “Wait a minute - there’s a boy here!” reaction, which was pretty amusing. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/215 "2022-07-09T13:42:14Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I am enjoying this show and I am appreciating how it is teaching me about aspects of Indian/Pakistani history I knew nothing about. Don’t get me started. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/216 "2022-07-11T11:34:04Z")
My impression of the series is that it’s far more interested in telling the “Pakistani-American teenage girl growing up in a family with intergenerational trauma” story than in the “new superhero saves the world from yet another interdimensional menace” one, and I’m not sure that was a bad call as long as it does move on now that we’ve resolved the whole Kamala/mother/grandma tension thing. The whole “Cometh the hero, cometh the existential threat” narrative can get tedious, given all the superhero shows out there. But the “Najma died on the way back to her home dimension” quip is a fair point. It was all rather…abrupt. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/217 "2022-07-11T17:46:41Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > My impression of the series is that it’s far more interested in telling the “Pakistani-American teenage girl growing up in a family with intergenerational trauma” story than in the “new superhero saves the world from yet another interdimensional menace” one And the comic is more “Girl who happens to be Pakistani American protects her home neighborhood of Jersey City from petty criminals who are often goofy.” It is much more slice-of-weird-life and much less World Risking Existential Threat. And she _is_ Pakistani-American but it isn’t _about_ being Pakistani-American. Her identification is almost as much about being a fan-fiction writer. [![](https://i.imgur.com/CwEa802.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/CwEa802.jpeg) [![](https://i.imgur.com/JxUZvkS.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/JxUZvkS.jpeg) The TV series is like you had an Irish-American hero and the writers said “How about he has his powers because he’s really a pooka! And he time-travels back to the potato famine!” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/218 "2022-07-11T18:18:44Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > The TV series is like you had an Irish-American hero and the writers said “How about he has his powers because he’s really a pooka! And he time-travels back to the potato famine!” In fairness, you did just post a page from the comic with Wolverine, a Canadian superhero whose power is health care. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/219 "2022-07-11T18:31:26Z")
Not at that time. [![](https://i.imgur.com/ZLi7FeE.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/ZLi7FeE.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/220 "2022-07-11T18:37:49Z")
Of course, before Ms. Marvel there was a Marvel superhero from Afghanistan whose power was being sand. > **[Sooraya Qadir (Earth-616)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Sooraya_Qadir_(Earth-616))** > > Sooraya Qadir was born in Afghanistan. As a child she was kidnapped and then sold into slavery. A few years later Sooraya was rescued by Wolverine and Fantomex from a slave-trading ring. She was sent to the Indian X-Corporation base in Mumbai.... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=12)