# The Marvelous Ms. Marvel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/221 "2022-07-13T08:58:12Z")
Finally, she uses the “e” word! (Which I was waiting for.) The other word used in this episode, I was _not_ expecting. If you have seen it, you know the word I mean. It was a big word to be using. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/222 "2022-07-13T09:01:56Z")
Oh, and there is a mid-credits scene, where she gets a visit from Chuck Cunningham. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/223 "2022-07-13T10:27:40Z")
I quite enjoyed that post-credits scene, but, then again, I’d watch Brie Larson read the phone book. Not even out loud. Just her sitting in a chair while flipping silently through the white pages. I think she’s that gorgeous. I also loved the little moments that having overprotective (in fairness, I don’t know if this level of protectiveness means that she has overprotective parents, or if teenage girls in Muslim families are normally watched this closely) parents can influence. Towards the beginning of the episode, she’s running above ground on the platforms she creates, and she stops at an intersection until the light turns green. That was a nice, subtle touch that adds to the character’s depth. The show started out great, and ended up just _good_. I enjoyed it quite a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/224 "2022-07-13T12:38:09Z")
I cackled at the “word” being used and the little musical sting. I don’t know that it needed a “one week later” bit, though. That felt like a last-minute addition. And the mid-credits scene was hilarious. An off-screen reaction would have been perfection. All in all a pretty decent ending. Wouldn’t have minded Zoe and Nadia getting together like in the comics but I get they didn’t have time. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/225 "2022-07-13T13:55:29Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > The show started out great, and ended up just _good_. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Giving two episodes in the middle to a different director who more commonly does documentaries was taking a chance that didn’t quite work: they did not flow or transition well. I liked those two episodes, and I liked the Jersey ones. But they were less for being mushed into one show. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/226 "2022-07-13T15:03:23Z")
It reminds me in a very roundabout way of _Full Metal Jacket_ in that way. I know Kubrick did the entire picture, but the tonal shift after the Marines leave basic training makes it feel like a completely different film. Same thing with _Ms. Marvel_, and those middle two episodes. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/227 "2022-07-13T16:35:27Z")
I felt the whole “town surrounds the hero and protects her from the authorities” thing was a bit trite, but aside from that, I liked the episode. Her mother giving her her costume, and her family knowing overall, is good…hiding the powers from the family has been too long a trope of the teen (or younger) hero genre, quite frankly, it’s usually more trouble for the hero than it’s actually worth. The post-credits scene seemed to me like some sort of homage to how Rick Jones and Mar-Vell used to exchange places using wristbands, but Carol Danvers has never been shown to have a corresponding one, right? And did anyone catch what she said at the end? I think Imani Vellani does a fantastic job and I look forward to seeing more of her on screen. My only complaint, in the end, is I would have liked to have heard a bit more Bon Jovi music. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/228 "2022-07-13T16:48:20Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > but Carol Danvers has never been shown to have a corresponding one, right? And did anyone catch what she said at the end? No, she hasn’t. And they never really brought up the other bangle again, did they? I think she says something like “Oh, crap!” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/229 "2022-07-13T17:03:49Z")
The closed captioning said that she kept repeating “no, no, no” ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/230 "2022-07-13T17:35:05Z")
And who could possibly forget The Arabian Knight > **[Abdul Qamar (Earth-616)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Abdul_Qamar_(Earth-616))** > > The Bedouin prince Abdul Qamar quickly rose to power over his nomadic family, but would often leave to trade goods in the cities. After one such trading run,\[citation needed\] while seeking shelter in an underground tomb, Qamar discovered a magic... ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/231 "2022-07-13T19:49:21Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Her mother giving her her costume, and her family knowing overall, is good…hiding the powers from the family has been too long a trope of the teen (or younger) hero genre, quite frankly, it’s usually more trouble for the hero than it’s actually worth. This is a departure from the comics. The comic series started in 2014. Her father didn’t discover her identity until 2019 (though her mother knew earlier). He took it…poorly. That story arc ended with aliens mind-wiping both her parents’s knowledge of her identity, which is the situation till this day. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/232 "2022-07-14T01:21:49Z")
So the Red Daggers were a whole secret society dedicated to fighting just a small group of (pretty unimpressive) people for hundreds of years? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/233 "2022-07-14T01:35:09Z")
I would just like everyone to know that the trains in Jersey City are well maintained and not covered in graffiti. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/234 "2022-07-14T02:01:57Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > So the Red Daggers were a whole secret society dedicated to fighting just a small group of (pretty unimpressive) people for hundreds of years? Maybe they were good at hiding. That one guy killed like three himself. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/235 "2022-07-14T02:05:12Z")
Yeah, we never really got much story as to _why_ the Blandestine were so dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/236 "2022-07-14T02:10:13Z")
Unless I missunderstood something they were dangerous because their method of returning home would not send them there but pull their reality here which would be bad. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/237 "2022-07-14T07:16:18Z")
You’re correct. I suppose I was just being snarky because I felt their menace wasn’t built up very well. Perhaps if they’d been after her or contacted her from the beginning then turned bad the punch would have been greater. But this was also supposed to be a lighter series as opposed to the others, so it makes sense they wouldn’t have the same weight as the TVA, for example, or the bad guys from CATWD. ---
**Author:** ![Tusculan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecd19e/32.png) [@Tusculan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tusculan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/238 "2022-07-14T07:50:47Z")
Sorry to seem pedantic, but do you mean Falcon and the Winter Soldier (FATWS)? The double typo confused me. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/239 "2022-07-14T07:52:59Z")
Dangit! I really need to stop posting from my phone. And also to review my posts better I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/240 "2022-07-14T11:23:47Z")
Some other geography nitpicks: If you said to someone in Jersey City to go to “the harbor” they would probably have no idea where you mean. There are a couple of marinas that have weekend sail boats and such but nothing you could call a harbor. When Kamala was chilling on the street lamp it looked more like she was in Hoboken than Jersey City. This one goes back to the advertising before the show even aired since they used that image. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=13)