# The Marvelous Ms. Marvel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/261 "2022-07-19T01:51:18Z")
Doesn’t quite roll off the tounge as well, though. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2023, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/262 "2023-04-11T20:02:50Z")
_Marvels_ trailer: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iuk77TjvfmE/maxresdefault.jpg "Marvel Studios’ The Marvels | Teaser Trailer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuk77TjvfmE) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/263 "2023-04-11T20:39:55Z")
That premise is just fan fiction level bad… ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/264 "2023-04-11T20:49:48Z")
It’s basically the premise of the “original” Captain Marvel, where Rick Jones and Mar-Vell had the “Nega-Bands” which would cause them to switch places. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/265 "2023-04-12T03:46:56Z")
For all the haters, and the stupid rumors about delays and reshoots caused by Brie …it looks fun. Not “Go to see it fun”…Ill definitely watch it on Disney Plus ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/266 "2023-04-12T09:16:24Z")
I’ll watch it. She did a great job in Ms. Marvel, and the other two were good in their parts too. I wonder if they’ll tie the Skrulls in somehow? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/267 "2023-04-12T11:12:36Z")
Who wants this thread retitled “The Maiselous Ms. Marvel”? PS: I’ll see “The Marvels” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/268 "2023-04-13T15:10:44Z")
Going for an “Avengers Meets Freaky Friday” vibe, I see. Should be entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/269 "2023-06-28T06:14:55Z")
Having reluctantly come to the conclusion that my wife will never be into superhero stuff I have begun catching up on everything Marvel. So here I am, late to the thread. My knowledge of the character comes only from The Avengers video game where she is a main character. The game starts out at AvengerCon but with much different and worse results. I don’t know, I didn’t hate it. I know it was geared toward a younger audience and I’m not the right demographic. I really can’t think of a worse group of villains. They are from some mystical realm never heard of before and never to be heard from again. Their only powers are long life and ninja skills. They die when they touch the rift except one time they die and also close it. They don’t show any powers but then pass on powers to the kid. And what were they doing that caused a two man secret society to fight them through the years? They were lame and made no sense. I also don’t like the erasure of the In-Humans. I know the show wasn’t good but they have been a big part of Marvel since 1965. And In-Humans were a big part of _Agents of Shield._ They erase the In-Humans but bring in Clan Destines? Ok not really but they used the name. Overall it was ok but it suffered from some bad writing. Bad villains, cliched villainy, muddled origin to her superpowers and confusing powers. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/270 "2023-06-28T12:05:53Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I also don’t like the erasure of the In-Humans. Marvel _really_ wants to forget that she was ever an Inhuman in the first place. As far as I can recall, it has been years since her Inhuman nature has had any role in the comics, or any Inhuman characters appearing. She never would have been inhuman in the first place except for the fact at that particular moment Marvel was trying to depreciate the X-Men and mutants for movie copyright reasons (something else that they want to forget about). > **[Ms. Marvel’s Creators Always Wanted Her To Be A Mutant, Not An Inhuman](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/07/15/ms-marvels-creators-always-wanted-her-to-be-a-mutant-not-an-inhuman/?sh=35e362a84e5e)** > > Turns out the creators of Ms. Marvel always wanted her to be a mutant, but the decision was out of their hands. Also (spoiler for an extremely widely publicized comic plot) after she was recently killed in _Spider-Man_, speculation is that she will be revived on Krakoa with the revelation that She Was A Mutant All Along. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/271 "2023-06-28T12:36:36Z")
There’s a whole complicated thing about how the Inhumans are represented on screen that boils down mostly to corporate politics and has very little to do with comics lore. It is what it is and it isn’t going to change. (The short version is that the Inhumans were being pushed by former Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter as a workaround to the fact that Fox controlled the mutant storylines in movies, but Perlmutter is a colossal flaming shitbag, so now the Inhumans are being marginalized, even despite Disney’s acquisition of Fox, as a direct Fuck You to Perlmutter. When Kamala Khan was originally pitched, she was a mutant, but Perlmutter insisted on the Inhuman angle as part of his IP-management campaign. It’s not something the original writers would have been wedded to. So this change might be superficially annoying, but in context it makes more sense, and besides anything that annoys the towering fuckhead Perlmutter is a net positive in my book.) Edit: I see the post above includes a link that covers most of this already. Ah well, at least it’s a Cliff Notes version for the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/272 "2023-06-28T13:42:01Z")
I’m confused about your feelings towards Perlmutter. You play your cards really close to your chest. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/273 "2023-06-28T14:49:32Z")
Like I said, my biggest exposure to the character was the Avengers video game. I know it’s not canon but it relies heavily on the In-Humans and terragenesis. Blackbolt was also in the Doctor Strange movie so it hasn’t been completely abandoned. But making her a mutant makes no internal sense. I’m not looking for real world logic. Just explain it in a comic book sense. The bangle is magic. But what does it do? Apparently nothing unless there happens to be a particular mutant around. She’s either a mutant and the bangle is just a piece of jewelry or the bangle does it all. Having it be both makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/274 "2023-06-28T15:31:16Z")
The bangles are just jewelry with sentimental family history value in the comics, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/275 "2023-06-28T16:20:22Z")
I agree the bangle business is poorly considered and executed. As well as the villains, per your earlier post. Basically everything about this series is subpar except the title character’s actor, who is aces. Very sad. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/276 "2023-06-29T03:05:46Z")
I’m a fan of superhero movies. I don’t need scientific accuracy. I do need internal logic. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/277 "2023-06-29T08:48:59Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Basically everything about this series is subpar except the title character’s actor, who is aces. As previously noted, they tried to squeeze in way too many storylines into a short series - the origin story, the “NJ Muslim culture” story, the family backstory, the evil beings from another dimension story, the menacing government story, and of course various teen romantic shenanigans (plus that utterly unnecessary Home Alone-ing of the school). Had they cut out a few of those, they could have had a much better series. But Iman Vellani is definitely a find. I still suspect she’s going to end up carrying the upcoming film, because much as I like Captain Marvel as a character, Brie Larson isn’t terribly charismatic and I’m not sure “Photon” is going to capture the audience either. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/278 "2023-06-29T10:58:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > because much as I like Captain Marvel as a character, Could you tell me what you like about the character? I’ve only seen her in the movies, and I can’t say I find her very compelling. Besides the fact that she doesn’t seem to have any discernable personality traits, in terms of powers she’s basically Superman without the weaknesses - and the weaknesses are what make Superman interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/279 "2023-06-29T17:49:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@Cervaise](#): > > > > Basically everything about this series is subpar except the title character’s actor, who is aces. > > As previously noted, they tried to squeeze in way too many storylines into a short series - the origin story, the “NJ Muslim culture” story, the family backstory, the evil beings from another dimension story, the menacing government story, and of course various teen romantic shenanigans (plus that utterly unnecessary Home Alone-ing of the school). Had they cut out a few of those, they could have had a much better series. > > But Iman Vellani is definitely a find. I still suspect she’s going to end up carrying the upcoming film, because much as I like Captain Marvel as a character, Brie Larson isn’t terribly charismatic and I’m not sure “Photon” is going to capture the audience either. Until right now when I checked I thought _The Marvels_ was going to be a show not a movie. Personally I’m hoping Monica Rambeau does catch on because when going through my old comics I realized I had her first appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/280 "2023-06-30T02:59:23Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Basically everything about this series is subpar except the title character’s actor, who is aces. Very sad Iman Vellani is indeed a gem. But so are Zenobia Shroff and Mohan Kapur, who play Kamala’s parents Muneeba and Yusuf Khan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=15)