# The Marvelous Ms. Marvel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/101 "2022-06-18T02:20:06Z")
When Kamala is reprising the opening to the 1980s film “Adventures in Babysitting” (singing and dancing st her house) I was thinking “She’d best friends with Stargirl” ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/102 "2022-06-18T05:28:45Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > When Kamala is reprising the opening to the 1980s film “Adventures in Babysitting” Maybe she has seen the movie… [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/og-pk5lXroU/hqdefault.jpg "Thor's a Homo") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-pk5lXroU) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/103 "2022-06-20T15:33:17Z")
P.S. I loved Kamala’s mom after seeing Kamala faint: “Did you not eat enough? Did you eat too much?” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/104 "2022-06-22T08:06:39Z")
Episode 3: I love how they show Muslims in a positive light. We see more of that, and I love how Kamala’s parents seem to genuinely want to help her and support her. It’s refreshing. We got a little more info on the Big Bad. While her motivation may be honorable, her methods are, shall we say, _not_. Damage Control tears its head again, but I look for them to be an ally in the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” way, at least temporarily. No complaints about this episode, and I liked the Erik Selvig reference. I’m not a fan of the “best friend/unrequited love interest is a technological genius” trope, but Bruno isn’t bothering me too much yet. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/105 "2022-06-22T12:13:46Z")
That wedding was so unabashedly joyful, I nearly wanted to jump up and join the dancing. Well, until the Djinn arrived… I think I missed something about their motivation, though. One moment, they’re all, “help us to get back to our dimension, pretty please”, and like ten seconds later, it’s “if you don’t help us now, we’ll kill all you love, and oh you’ve betrayed us for some reason”. I mean, I didn’t even get any indication that they might think Kamala wasn’t up to helping them? Was that explained in some more depth? Also, what’s the connection between them and the ten rings? In the scene in the temple where they recover the bangle, there’s a shot from above and a design on the floor that’s the ten rings-logo. Is the dimension those Djinn are from supposed to be the same mystical dimension featured there? (Ta Lo? Between Shang Chi, Dr. Strange, and Iron Fist, I’m having some difficulty keeping my mystical realms straight…) And was that supposed to be a Kree arm the bangle was attached to? I think they’re the only blue people we’ve met so far in the MCU, right? Although I seem to remember that the avatars of Hindu deities also typically were depicted as blue-skinned, so maybe there’s a connection there? ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/106 "2022-06-22T12:15:08Z")
seen this a couple of days ago … and there were so many jerks in msns comment section that it seems they removed it > **[Ms. Marvel Has Set A Horrible Record For Disney+](https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/movienews/ms-marvel-has-set-a-horrible-record-for-disney/ar-AAYFxYF?ocid=BingNewsSearch)** > > Ms. Marvel has been out for two weeks, but new data and reports have stated that the new series has acheived a horrible record for Disney+. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/107 "2022-06-22T13:02:40Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I think I missed something about their motivation, though. One moment, they’re all, “help us to get back to our dimension, pretty please”, and like ten seconds later, it’s “if you don’t help us now, we’ll kill all you love, and oh you’ve betrayed us for some reason”. I mean, I didn’t even get any indication that they might think Kamala wasn’t up to helping them? Was that explained in some more depth? I think the number of episodes is partly to blame. It’s been a reoccurring problem in that they must cram a good story into just a few episodes. I wish their relationship with Kamala could have been explored more while she thought they were good, and I agree the turnaround to bad guys was abrupt. I wonder if “Djinn” will turn out to mean “Dire Wraiths”, because THAT would be interesting. > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > And was that supposed to be a Kree arm the bangle was attached to? I think so. Since they didn’t remark on it being Smurf-colored it seems they were expecting it? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/108 "2022-06-22T13:19:14Z")
Bah-editing woes. I’d heard of the ClanDestine comic, but somehow missed that they were part of Marvel. I just thought they were independent or DC for some reason. I hang my head in geek-shame ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/109 "2022-06-22T13:45:46Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Kamala’s band appears to be a Quantum Band, which would be a nice tie-in to Mar-Vell Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/110 "2022-06-22T13:47:55Z")
They could be welding stuff together, perhaps? Like the band is a Quantum band and isn’t intended to send them home, but they want to jury-rig it? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/111 "2022-06-22T22:26:32Z")
It is interesting that they wanted to avoid the Inhumans so much that they made Kamila _a genie_. Also, as not a watcher of the MCU movies, is there something about the MCU Wakanda that made it an inappropriate choice for Brono’s dream school location, replacing it with Caltech? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/112 "2022-06-22T22:50:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > It is interesting that they wanted to avoid the Inhumans so much that they made Kamila _a genie_. Understandable, the Inhumans are pretty terrible. I’m pretty sure the only reason she was an Inhuman in the comics was editorial was trying to kill off the X-Men brand because they didn’t have the movie rights. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/113 "2022-06-22T23:01:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Understandable, the Inhumans are pretty terrible. Turns out that the genies are an even more obscure Marvel property that I didn’t recognize. > **[Ms. Marvel Has a Surprising Connection to an Obscure Marvel Team](https://screencrush.com/who-are-marvel-clandestines/)** > > You’ve probably never even heard of them. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/114 "2022-06-23T00:00:54Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > is there something about the MCU Wakanda that made it an inappropriate choice for Brono’s dream school location, replacing it with Caltech? I don’t know why they changed it but to me it feels like making it Wakanda would make it too much of an obvious “yes, of course I will immediately go… when does my plane leave?” situation. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/115 "2022-06-23T07:22:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m pretty sure the only reason she was an Inhuman in the comics was editorial was trying to kill off the X-Men brand because they didn’t have the movie rights. You would be correct. This came straight from Ike Perlmutter, who directly ordered the comics division to promote the Inhumans so it would be a viable alternative to the X-Men for adaptation to other media. Almost the instant Disney finally sidelined Perlmutter and put Feige in charge of the whole shebang, the Inhumans were dropped back down to the C-list. It’s totally unsurprising that this new TV adaptation would set up an alternative origin. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/116 "2022-06-23T14:05:23Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’m not a fan of the “best friend/unrequited love interest is a technological genius” trope, but Bruno isn’t bothering me too much yet. But he did have the best line of the night. “I’m a Djinn” (pronounced “gin”) “…and tonic?” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/117 "2022-06-23T16:53:30Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > This came straight from Ike Perlmutter, who directly ordered the comics division to promote the Inhumans so it would be a viable alternative to the X-Men for adaptation to other media. Yeah, I know about Perlmutter - when rumors first started circulating that Marvel was killing off the X-Men books, I didn’t believe it at first, because it was so incredibly short sighted. Fox was basically making multiple hundred million dollar commercials for the books, so they _stop_ publishing new ones? Fucking insane. What I’m not sure about is the extent to which Kamala’s origin story in the comics reflected G. Willow Wilson’s original intent, and how much was dictated by editorial. Would she have been a mutant? Some other, unrelated origin? Or was Wilson really jazzed about using Lockjaw (objectively the only good Inhuman character)? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/118 "2022-06-23T19:27:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Or was Wilson really jazzed about using Lockjaw (objectively the only good Inhuman character)? I think you may have stumbled on the answer. It’s all about Tuning Fork Dog. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq6pg0XVQAAv2xU.jpg:large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq6pg0XVQAAv2xU.jpg:large) ---
**Author:** ![Noelq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noelq/32/16438_2.png) [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/119 "2022-06-23T22:34:50Z")
Lockjaw is the most sad inhuman ever. Animals aren’t affected by the terragen mists. Only humans. Lockjaw was once human, and everyone treats him as a dog. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/120 "2022-06-24T00:13:14Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > > [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > > > Kamala’s band appears to be a Quantum Band, which would be a nice tie-in to Mar-Vell > > Or not. That might have been Mar-Vell’s arm shown in the flashback. I didn’t think making her a Djinn was that great of an idea but it does tie into the interdimensional aspects that MCU is delving into now. I’m interested in seeing how it shakes out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116.md?page=7)