# The Marvelous Ms. Marvel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116 "2022-03-15T15:05:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/121 "2022-06-24T04:05:43Z")
> [@Noelq](#): > > Lockjaw is the most sad inhuman ever. > > Animals aren’t affected by the terragen mists. Only humans. Lockjaw was once human, and everyone treats him as a dog. That was retconned away - [see this article](https://www.cbr.com/marvel-inhumans-lockjaw-person-or-pet/). ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/122 "2022-06-24T05:00:45Z")
Was there no post-credits scene after episode 3? I’m enjoying this series a fair bit. It’s all good appealing fun, and I think they’re mostly hitting the mark of respectfully showing Muslim culture without being preachy, pandery, worshipful or condescending. That said, one thing I thing was silly this episode was Kamala asking the Imam some questions that basically shouted “it’s me! I’m the superhero!”. I mean, everyone should be looking side-eye at her anyhow, as there can’t be THAT many girls approximately the right age and size, at that mosque, who happen to be absolutely mad for superheroes. Someone should at least jokingly accuse her. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/123 "2022-06-24T11:18:41Z")
The ominous way the other Djinn were shown-in darkness with glowing eyes-makes me think that they may not be “lost exiles” to be pitied and the rest of them may not be so great either. And wow I hope Iman Vellani never changes. She just seems like such a fun charismatic person. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/124 "2022-06-24T11:45:38Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The ominous way the other Djinn were shown-in darkness with glowing eyes-makes me think that they may not be “lost exiles” to be pitied One presumes exiled to an alternate dimension as punishment for crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/125 "2022-06-24T12:08:35Z")
Could be. Of course, we only have their word for any of it, and a sob story sounds good to a kid like Kamala who’s grown up hearing about people losing their homes from her parents. I’m thinking we get an alliance between the Djinn and Damage Control as the show goes on. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/126 "2022-06-24T13:04:21Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > There was some other superhero fairly recently (comics or TV) who had tge “creating steps in mid-air” power, but I can’t remember where I saw it. Ringing any bells for anyone? It was used in **[The Nevers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nevers)** during the execution scene. Was that what you were thinking of? ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/127 "2022-06-24T13:17:23Z")
if i remember Arabian lore werent genies and dijin and such evil people who were cursed that way to serve forever …? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/128 "2022-06-24T13:32:35Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It was used in **[The Nevers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nevers)** during the execution scene. Was that what you were thinking of? Yep, that’s it. > **[Nimble Jack](https://the-nevers.fandom.com/wiki/Nimble_Jack)** > > Nimble Jack is a Touched person whose turn allows the creation of floating plates that can be used as protective shields or sturdy platforms. Nimble confronts Bonfire Annie as she makes her way through the Beggar King's men. She attempts to torch... ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/129 "2022-06-24T13:37:12Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > if i remember Arabian lore werent genies and dijin and such evil people who were cursed that way to serve forever …? Nope. > **[Jinn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn)** > > Jinn (Arabic: .mw-parser-output .script-arabic{font-family:"SF Arabic",Scheherazade,Lateef,LateefGR,"Scheherazade New","Amiri","Noto Naskh Arabic","Droid Arabic Naskh","Microsoft Uighur","Sakkal Majalla","Harmattan","Arabic Typesetting","Arabic Transparent","Times New Roman","Arial",Calibri,"Microsoft Sans Serif","Segoe UI",serif,sans-serif;font-weight:normal}جِنّ‎, jinn) – also romanized as djinn or anglicized as genies – are invisible creatures in early religion in pre-Islamic Arabia and late... ---
**Author:** ![Noelq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noelq/32/16438_2.png) [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/130 "2022-06-24T17:20:13Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > > [@Noelq](#): > > > > Lockjaw is the most sad inhuman ever. > > > > Animals aren’t affected by the terragen mists. Only humans. Lockjaw was once human, and everyone treats him as a dog. > > That was retconned away - [see this article](https://www.cbr.com/marvel-inhumans-lockjaw-person-or-pet/). Thanks, CMKeller. Didn’t know that. I like the sad version, better, though. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/131 "2022-06-24T19:16:13Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The ominous way the other Djinn were shown-in darkness with glowing eyes-makes me think that they may not be “lost exiles” to be pitied and the rest of them may not be so great either. I thought that was pretty obvious from their “there’s a slight delay? lets fucking murder her whole family” reaction… ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/132 "2022-06-24T19:36:01Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I thought that was pretty obvious from their “there’s a slight delay? lets fucking murder her whole family” reaction… I thought it was pretty obvious from the moment the guy rose from the swimming pool that he was the antagonist (or antagonist adjacent). They might as well have tattooed it across his forehead. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/133 "2022-06-24T19:43:56Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Although I seem to remember that the avatars of Hindu deities also typically were depicted as blue-skinned, so maybe there’s a connection there? I sure hope that a show about Muslim protagonists wouldn’t give them opponents who are Hindu gods. That would be inflammatory. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/134 "2022-06-24T20:25:23Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I’m enjoying this series a fair bit. It’s all good appealing fun, and I think they’re mostly hitting the mark of respectfully showing Muslim culture without being preachy, pandery, worshipful or condescending. My cousin’s daughter (17, Indian-American (Hindu)) doesn’t like this show. She says it “goes overboard” with the South Asian stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/135 "2022-06-24T21:05:26Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > My cousin’s daughter (17, Indian-American (Hindu)) doesn’t like this show. She says it “goes overboard” with the South Asian stuff. Well, yeah. That’s what the show’s teenage protagonist thinks about her parents, too. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/136 "2022-06-24T21:13:52Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Well, yeah. That’s what the show’s teenage protagonist thinks about her parents, too. Well, in her experience, Indian-American parents aren’t that overboard. But she also complains about the intensity of all the cultural stuff: clothing, music, the whole Desi-ness of it all. Of course, that’s her own experience. Certainly, south Asian culture in the New York-New Jersey metro area can be intense in a way that isn’t universal. And I can see that. I have never met anyone as steadfastly traditional as her older brother in the show. That doesn’t mean such people don’t exist though. But she’s a stubborn teenager and she loves tearing apart stuff, which I can relate to. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/137 "2022-06-25T08:00:50Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I sure hope that a show about Muslim protagonists wouldn’t give them opponents who are Hindu gods. That would be inflammatory. Hmm, I may have missed this, but was it indicated somewhere that the blue-skinned arm’s erstwhile possessor was an antagonist? Otherwise, the MCU has often been eclectic with its mythology. In Wakanda, they apparently worshipped both the Egyptian goddess Bastet as well as the Hindu deity Hanuman, and the men T’Challa ‘saved’ Nakia from were depicted as Muslim (in a, shall we say, less sensitive manner than on Ms. Marvel). And of course, there’s a literal Norse deity palling around with the self-professed Christian Captain America; so I wouldn’t think a bit of syncretism to be all that out of the ordinary. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/138 "2022-06-25T08:21:21Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > was it indicated somewhere that the blue-skinned arm’s erstwhile possessor was an antagonist? There was no confirmed identity in the episode but based on the rest of the MCU it could be speculated that the arm belonged to a Kree. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/139 "2022-06-25T08:22:53Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > self-professed Christian Captain America When did he ever profess something like that? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-marvelous-ms-marvel/961116/140 "2022-06-25T08:26:35Z")
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