# the mess in Syria is about to get messier **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 30, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835 "2018-01-30T21:20:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/81 "2018-04-14T12:40:57Z")
“[Mission Accomplished](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mission-accomplished-president-trump-declares-in-tweeted-response-to-syria-strike-2018-04-14)”, folks. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/82 "2018-04-14T13:35:37Z")
I strongly suspect we’ve all been deliberately mislead. Trump announced last week we are pulling out. That’s exactly what Assad wants to hear. Why would he do something provocative days later and drag us back in? We just hit Syria with our biggest air strike yet. The insurgency is very happy today. I don’t object to the bombing. If we targeted the correct forces. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/83 "2018-04-14T15:00:28Z")
What’s the lie you suspect is being perpetrated, and by whom? ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/84 "2018-04-14T15:23:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I strongly suspect we’ve all been deliberately mislead. > > Trump announced last week we are pulling out. > > That’s exactly what Assad wants to hear. Why would he do something provocative days later and drag us back in? > > We just hit Syria with our biggest air strike yet. > > The insurgency is very happy today. > > I don’t object to the bombing. If we targeted the correct forces. Nikki Haley addressed the UN Security Council yesterday and explained our case with regard to Syria using chemical weapons and Russia providing cover for them. I wondered too about Syria actually using those weapons at that time, but it seems doing so made the difference between an enemy surrendering with conditions and an enemy grabbing its stuff and fleeing the area. After the embattled US President signaled his intent to disengage. None of this is improbable. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/85 "2018-04-14T15:46:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > “[Mission Accomplished](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mission-accomplished-president-trump-declares-in-tweeted-response-to-syria-strike-2018-04-14)”, folks. > > :smack: That is AWESOME news! Easy peasy! ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/86 "2018-04-14T17:49:36Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > If they that again, and have Su-25 and 34 in support with Super Flankers providing cover? The attack’ll be a lot less “unofficial.” The JSOC base did call up the Russians on a deconfliction line pre-strike, and asked if the more-or-less motor-rifle regiment rolling towards the Euphrates was anyone the Russians knew. After getting told, “Nope,” hilarity ensued. Oh, and the top cover, not being stealthy, will get noticed by one or another AWACS the US has in the area. After getting noticed, and the Russians being told that said top cover is moving towards a side of the map it’s not supposed to be on, and still not turning away, then my guess is that it’ll get swatted by some form of F-22/F-35/PAC-3 guided in by said AWACS. Then we’ll really have problems. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/87 "2018-04-14T18:24:36Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Reports this morning that Russia & Syria are making claims that “most” of the 100+ missiles launched by the combined western forces have been knocked out of the sky before reaching their targets. > > :dubious: :rolleyes: This is the Syrians we’re talking about here. Over the years, they’ve claimed to have shot down roughly twice as many Israeli aircraft as Israel has ever fielded. In their minds, I guess they have. This is the Middle East. Here, everyone’s entitled to their own facts. ---
**Author:** ![manila](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@manila](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manila)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/88 "2018-04-14T18:41:24Z")
I suspect this has got nothing to do with Trump. I suspect that the orange one was hiding in his closet, filling his adult diaper and licking his bone spurs while the professionals who actually know all about the Syrian regime and its savagery actually took control and convinced him that a direct response was required. Hopefully Trump will now grow up a little. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/89 "2018-04-14T18:58:19Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > This is the Syrians we’re talking about here. Over the years, they’ve claimed to have shot down roughly twice as many Israeli aircraft as Israel has ever fielded. They aren’t alone. Kill claims on all sides have vastly exceeded actual losses since well air war began. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/90 "2018-04-14T19:18:40Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > If they that again, and have Su-25 and 34 in support with Super Flankers providing cover? Then it would be the same outcome, but also some extra dead Su-25s and Su-34s and Super Flankers on top of it to boot. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/91 "2018-04-14T19:28:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I strongly suspect we’ve all been deliberately mislead. By Trump? Only in the sense that he doesn’t know what he wants from one moment to the next. > [@](#): > > The insurgency is very happy today. Is there a ‘the’ insurgency in Syria? I was under the distinct impression that there were several of them. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/92 "2018-04-14T19:51:51Z")
> [@manila](#): > > I suspect this has got nothing to do with Trump. I suspect that the orange one was hiding in his closet, filling his adult diaper and licking his bone spurs while the professionals who actually know all about the Syrian regime and its savagery actually took control and convinced him that a direct response was required. > > Hopefully Trump will now grow up a little. It’s been reported Trump constantly watches the news. He’s seen the same heart breaking photos of the victims. The children suffering are very hard to see. No one could not be outraged and want to do something to end this crime. The US and other countries had to at least knock out the known weapons plant and distribution. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/93 "2018-04-14T20:12:00Z")
> [@manila](#): > > I suspect this has got nothing to do with Trump. I suspect that the orange one was hiding in his closet, filling his adult diaper and licking his bone spurs while the professionals who actually know all about the Syrian regime and its savagery actually took control and convinced him that a direct response was required. > > Hopefully Trump will now grow up a little. Meh, he seemed mature enough in [making the announcement](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/13/watch_live_president_trump_makes_an_announcement_about_syria.html). ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/94 "2018-04-15T01:23:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Meh, he seemed mature enough in [making the announcement](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/13/watch_live_president_trump_makes_an_announcement_about_syria.html). Do you hear yourself? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/95 "2018-04-15T01:38:00Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > “Possibly”? > > \*\*\*1.)\*\*\*Just how safe is the American nuclear arsenal? \*\*\*2.)\*\*\*What are the chances that it could fall into the hands of a mad man? \*\*\*3.)\*\*\*Just how close are religious extremists to control of the nuclear button. 1.) 0, on a scale of 0-1,000,000 2.) 11, on a scale of 1-10 3.) +++Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++ translation: I have no way of providing a coherent response to that question. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/96 "2018-04-15T01:42:40Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Not to mention, Trump’s [too busy yelling about Sessions and Rosenstein](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-chooses-impulse-over-strategy-as-crises-mount/2018/04/11/884e33c2-3d9d-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?utm_term=.9d1f22813051) to give any intelligible direction on Syria. > > Memo to Congressional Republicans: this country needs a fucking _President_, not a 71-year old with the attention span of a toddler, and roughly the same ability to deal with complex concepts. Every day you don’t replace him with Pence (who is dogshit from a _ **Dem** _ POV, but who would at least let competent people run our foreign policy) is a day that you continue your betrayal of this country. You misspelled “decent human being.” I hasten to point out that I do not intend to imply that the terms are interchangeable. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/97 "2018-04-15T01:45:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Do you hear yourself? :rolleyes: Yeah ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/98 "2018-04-15T01:55:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > > [@aceplace57](#): > > > > I strongly suspect we’ve all been deliberately [misled]. > > By Trump? Only in the sense that he doesn’t know what he wants from one moment to the next. > > > [@](#): > > > > The insurgency is very happy today. > > Is there a ‘the’ insurgency in Syria? I was under the distinct impression that there were several of them. > > _Spelling correction my me. Sorry, I can’t get over that. **–kd99** _ Ehh. If they want Assad gone, as far as Putin and the America-hating fuckstick are concerned, they’re pretty much a wholly-owned subsidiary of ISIS. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/99 "2018-04-15T13:25:23Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Meh, he seemed mature enough in [making the announcement](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/13/watch_live_president_trump_makes_an_announcement_about_syria.html). > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Do you hear yourself? :rolleyes: > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yeah In that case, I’m embarrassed for you. But only because the universal laws of balanced human decency demand it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835/100 "2018-04-15T15:49:05Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In that case, I’m embarrassed for you. But only because the universal laws of balanced human decency demand it. What gripes do you have with the announcement? Sure, it was no Gettysburg Address, but it was coherent and delivered intelligibly. It was fine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mess-in-syria-is-about-to-get-messier/807835.md?page=6)