# The middle fecking east. (this will get me hated by all liberal hippie types) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575 "2003-05-21T15:28:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2003, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/61 "2003-05-21T23:02:41Z")
**gobear** , my point was that the actions of a few (Muslims) never should lead to the condemnation of all. I don’t think all Americans are terrorists just because McVeigh blew up a building, and I don’t think all Muslims are terrorist because a few of them flew jetliners into the WTC. As for the relative size of the “few” that are actually terrorists, yes, there are differences. There are also plenty of methods to discuss those differences intelligently and constructively. None of these methods seem to be part of **Xploder** ’s repertoire here. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2003, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/62 "2003-05-21T23:28:11Z")
Gobear, would you agree that there is growing support amongst the American public for Imperialistic dominance of other countries? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/63 "2003-05-21T23:47:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > I’ve met **Xploder** IRL. I assure you, he is **not** Ann Coulter. Does he have nice gams? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/64 "2003-05-22T00:51:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*Gobear, > would you agree that there is growing support amongst the American public for Imperialistic dominance of other countries? \*\* I’m niot sure that the American public thinks in exactly those terms, but, yes, I’m afraid that Bush’s foreign policy enjoys wide support here. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/65 "2003-05-22T09:49:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > Most Muslims are not terrorists, but you cannot deny that there is a growing sympathy among Muslims for terrorism as a legitimate tactic against the United States and Israel. I am not sure I would agree with “growing” There is certainly an important pool of sympathy (not always support) for terrorism as a means to fight Israeli and to a much lesser extent American policy. Not sure if it is growing. This sort of thing fluctuates. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/66 "2003-05-22T09:57:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Xploder \* > \*\*I don’t see the Euro’s doing a lot for world peace besides having protests. If it comes down to peace by force or death by inaction, then I’m all in favor of force. \*\* You’re an idiot. A complete fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/67 "2003-05-22T11:29:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Xploder \* > \*\*An American Hegemony? Why not? I don’t see the Euro’s doing a lot for world peace besides having protests. \*\* Last I checked, they were pretty busy helping with rebuilding Afghanistan and cleaning up the mess that was left after George got bored looking for Osama and decided to direct everyone’s attention elsewhere. You remember Afghanistan, don’t you? It’s the one you hear so little about on CNN and FoxNews nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/68 "2003-05-22T11:43:40Z")
Hell even a little(4 million people) neutral country like Ireland supplies troops for UN work. They’ve die as easily as American soldiers as well. > **[Overseas Deployments](https://www.military.ie/en/overseas-deployments/)** > > Since 1958, the Defence Forces have a continuous presence on peace support operations, mainly in the Middle East. However, in recent years, following the end of the cold war, Defence Forces personnel have also found themselves in many other parts of... Kosovo, East Timor, Middle East etc. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/69 "2003-05-22T12:38:13Z")
Actually, the UN mission in Afghanistan is currently led by Germany and the Netherlands. [And I dare say it’s hardly “wimpy”](http://wwww.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/d05c8c220f3c15fd49256ce5001a2449?OpenDocument). Those evil war-opposing Germans. Those good-for-nothing liberal Dutchmen, getting wounded because they are trying to maintain the peace. Bunch of pacifist wankers, the lot of them. Enemies of America. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/70 "2003-05-22T13:32:10Z")
And then people wonder why the Euros get sick of Americans. I just can’t fathom it. My countrymen and country embarass me more by the day. ---
**Author:** ![Anahita](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@Anahita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anahita)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/71 "2003-05-22T14:16:46Z")
_sigh_ Again? Do we have to do this all over again? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/72 "2003-05-22T14:19:16Z")
Won’t be the last time either unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/73 "2003-05-22T14:27:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cervaise \* > \*\*Does he have nice gams? \*\* couldnt’ tell, he had pants on. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Anahita](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@Anahita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anahita)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/74 "2003-05-22T14:28:37Z")
Silly me thought it couldn’t get any worse than being one of three Iranians at a school which was 85% Jewish during the hostage crisis. It’s worse. It’s actually not people like the OP that scare me, so much, as the intelligent people who are generally sensible who may have the same opinions but are either too PC or too worried about their image to say what they think. I have been seriously disillusioned by some posters on these boards who I held in high esteem, as they boldly changed the rules in the middle of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Anahita](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@Anahita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anahita)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2003, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/75 "2003-05-22T14:56:56Z")
Just in case, the comment above, re: the 85% Jewish school was included so that it’s clear that I wasn’t in a community where my ‘diversity’ was ‘accepted’, especially as I was in middle school, the worst possible age for that sort of thing. It was NOT to say that anyone Jewish is anymore likely to give anyone a hard time. I hate that I have to say that. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575/76 "2003-05-23T23:59:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*couldnt’ tell, he had pants on. 😃 \*\* Thanks for the clarification there beautiful 🙂 Actually, I never said that the MidEast needed to be taught American values, I said that they needed to be taught basic HUMAN values, NOT American values. I do apologize to the Europeans that help support peace by joining in on U.N. actions and (unilateral) other actions. My intent was NOT to cause a ruckus by stating an honest opinion. I posted in the heat of the moment after reading the op and nothing else. As for what I did post, I stand by it. There really isn’t another power in the world today that could force what I would consider an insane culture, (i.e., all infidels, catholics, protestants, must die) to face reality and act in a more mature manner. Hey, if that makes me, in your eyes, a bighot then suck my cock. I believe that people should be able to live a life free from terror. If you, in your small world view, think that since this is the type of government that they live under, then they MUST have chosen that of their own free will are complete idiots and morons yourself. Look, I will be the first person to say that I’m not the best man in the world when it comes to typing out my feelings. I do tend to be quite extemporaneous when expressing myself, which I feel would be best for more of the posters here than actually happens. Do I hate people from the MidEast? Of course not. One of my favorite people around here runs my local hardware store and IS from the MidEast. Do I have issues with what happened to me during Desert Storm. Of course I do. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t be human. To all the people that simply assume that I wish the U.S. to take over the world in a Roman type Hegemony, you’re wrong. I used the term hegemony to mean a prototype leader that perhaps MIGHT lead the world into a future with LESS terroristic violence than occurs now. Damn. I’m extremely sorry that everyone took what I said and completely misunderstood what I meant. I can only blame myself. Since the engine on my van blew out two nights ago, I may be able to now actually keep up with this damn thread. I promise to at least TRY and address all the comments made to me while I was gone. For now, I remain, Xploder [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-middle-fecking-east-this-will-get-me-hated-by-all-liberal-hippie-types/176575.md?page=3)