# The Milky Way's halo is curved spacetime **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565 "2014-05-03T04:11:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/1 "2014-05-03T04:11:46Z")
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter. Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether. The Milky Way’s halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The Milky Way’s halo is curved spacetime. ---
**Author:** ![Farin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e79b87/32.png) [@Farin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/2 "2014-05-03T04:15:27Z")
If this were true the inward pressure of aether would have slowed the energy of the big bang to absolute zero. Unfortuantly for this…hypothesis, most of the big bang’s energy is still there as a microwave background radiation. Physics is zero sum. Or, as laid out by smarter people than I, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Thus, you cannot dampen matter as a native function of spacetime without destroying the universe. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/3 "2014-05-03T04:15:40Z")
OP, Do Go On. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/4 "2014-05-03T04:19:38Z")
> [@Farin](#): > > If this were true the inward pressure of aether would have slowed the energy of the big bang to absolute zero. Unfortuantly for this…hypothesis, most of the big bang’s energy is still there as a microwave background radiation. > > Physics is zero sum. Or, as laid out by smarter people than I, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. > > Thus, you cannot dampen matter as a native function of spacetime without destroying the universe. The Big Bang is a religious belief. Our Universe is a larger version of a black hole polar jet. Dark energy is aether continuously emitted into the Universal jet. It’s not the Big Bang; it’s the Big Ongoing. ---
**Author:** ![Farin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e79b87/32.png) [@Farin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/5 "2014-05-03T04:25:13Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > The Big Bang is a religious belief. > > Our Universe is a larger version of a black hole polar jet. > > Dark energy is aether continuously emitted into the Universal jet. > > It’s not the Big Bang; it’s the Big Ongoing. > [@Farin](#): > > If this were true the inward pressure of aether would have slowed the energy of the **white hole that is very far from us** to absolute zero. Unfortuantly for this…hypothesis, most of the **white hole that is very far from us** ’s energy is still there as a microwave background radiation. > > Physics is zero sum. Or, as laid out by smarter people than I, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. > > Thus, you cannot dampen matter as a native function of spacetime without destroying the universe. Also, please cite evidence of what our universe originated from. Believing in white holes is the same as believing in the big bang, religion-wise. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/6 "2014-05-03T04:42:09Z")
> [@Farin](#): > > Also, please cite evidence of what our universe originated from. Believing in white holes is the same as believing in the big bang, religion-wise. ‘Cosmic microwave background’ > **[Cosmic microwave background](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Low_multipoles_and_other_anomalies)** > > The cosmic microwave background (CMB, CMBR), or relic radiation, is microwave radiation that fills all space in the observable universe. With a standard optical telescope, the background space between stars and galaxies is almost completely dark. However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope detects a faint background glow that is almost uniform and is not associated with any star, galaxy, or other object. This glow is strongest in the microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum. The acc... _“With the increasingly precise data provided by WMAP, there have been a number of claims that the CMB exhibits anomalies, such as very large scale anisotropies, anomalous alignments, and non-Gaussian distributions. … A number of groups have suggested that this could be the signature of new physics at the greatest observable scales”_ The new physics is understanding our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet. ‘Cosmos may be curved, scientists say’ > **[Cosmos may be curved, scientists say](https://www.foxnews.com/science/cosmos-may-be-curved-scientists-say)** > > Evidence left over after the Big Bang may suggest a saddle-shaped universe, new data suggests. _“Now cosmologists suggest these anomalies occur because the universe is not flat. Instead, these researchers propose the universe may be ever so slightly “open,” curved in such a way that parallel lines, which never converge or diverge when traveling on a flat surface, will eventually diverge from one another, like on a saddle.”_ Our Universe is open because it is a larger version of a polar jet. ‘Was the universe born spinning?’ [http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688](http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688) _“The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis”_ Our Universe spins around a preferred axis because it is a larger version of a polar jet. Mysterious Cosmic ‘Dark Flow’ Tracked Deeper into Universe _“The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. “We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we’d like whether the clusters are coming or going,” Kashlinsky said.”_ The clusters are headed along this path because our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet. “Other Universes are Pulling on Our Universe” – New Planck Data Triggers Controversy (Today’s Most Popular) > **["Other Universes are Pulling on Our Universe" -- New Planck Data Triggers...](https://dailygalaxy.com/2013/10/is-our-universe-one-of-billions-new-planck-data-has-anomalies-caused-by-unknown-gravitational-pull-t/)** > > Is our universe merely one of billions? Evidence of the existence of 'multiverse' revealed for the first time by a cosmic map of background radiation data gathered by Planck telescope. The first 'hard evidence' that other universes exist has been... _“The first ‘hard evidence’ that other universes exist has been claimed to have been found by cosmologists studying new Planck data released this past June. They have concluded that it shows anomalies that can only have been caused by the gravitational pull of other universes.”_ It’s not evidence of external universes pulling on the matter in our universe. It is evidence of directionality of matter in our universe which refutes the isotropic big bang. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/7 "2014-05-03T04:48:15Z")
It helps to have [this](http://youtu.be/ZnHmskwqCCQ) playing in the background while reading the OP. It helped me anyway. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/8 "2014-05-03T05:00:03Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > It helps to have [this](http://youtu.be/ZnHmskwqCCQ) playing in the background while reading the OP. It helped me anyway. Works for me – musical accompaniment is always a plus! 😃 The lyrics of SIU BLACK LY CAPHE are also appropriate – gotta love the last line: Ánh mắt soi trong ly cafe [Ban Mê](http://www.justsomelyrics.com/2399875/siu-black-ly-caphe-ban-me-lyrics.html) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/9 "2014-05-03T07:45:44Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > It helps to have [this](http://youtu.be/ZnHmskwqCCQ) playing in the background while reading the OP. It helped me anyway. Hey Happy Lendervedder ![You're right!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rek1qRs6tU8) ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/10 "2014-05-03T08:06:31Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > Aether has mass. How much? I.e. what’s the mass of, say, one cubic metre of aether? > [@](#): > > Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. Where to? I mean, if the aether occupies all of space, and is incompressible, then how can matter displace it? Furthermore, in such a cosmos, how does Newton’s first law hold? A boat, moving through water, comes to rest without continuous force acting on it, while particles moving through space move uniformly as long as no force is applied. > [@](#): > > Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. How much pressure? What’s the equation of state of your aether? Why is gravity in this picture proportional to a body’s mass, and not to its volume? A ball of twine of a given volume displaces the aether as much as a ball of lead, but their gravitational field is different, of course. And why is the gravitational attraction between two bodies proportional to the product of their masses? How do you explain the 1/r[sup]2[/sup] drop in the strength of the gravitational force over distance? > [@](#): > > There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. So if the FERMI signal of a [30-40 GeV dark matter particle](http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/fermi-data-tantalize-with-new-clues-to-dark-matter/#.U2Sh-4GKWSo) checks out, then your theory is falsified, I suppose? ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/11 "2014-05-03T08:21:00Z")
I was very confused by the OP. The I saw the Wall of Text was merely delayed until post #6. Cognitive dissonance resolved! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/12 "2014-05-03T08:22:48Z")
What was that about hats, again? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/13 "2014-05-03T08:59:14Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > ‘Cosmic microwave background’ > [Cosmic microwave background - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Low_multipoles_and_other_anomalies) > > _“With the increasingly precise data provided by WMAP, there have been a number of claims that the CMB exhibits anomalies, such as very large scale anisotropies, anomalous alignments, and non-Gaussian distributions. … A number of groups have suggested that this could be the signature of new physics at the greatest observable scales”_ > > The new physics is understanding our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet. > > ‘Cosmos may be curved, scientists say’ > [Cosmos may be curved, scientists say | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/12/cosmos-may-be-curved-scientists-say/?intcmp=features) > > _“Now cosmologists suggest these anomalies occur because the universe is not flat. Instead, these researchers propose the universe may be ever so slightly “open,” curved in such a way that parallel lines, which never converge or diverge when traveling on a flat surface, will eventually diverge from one another, like on a saddle.”_ > > Our Universe is open because it is a larger version of a polar jet. > > ‘Was the universe born spinning?’ > [http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688](http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688) > > _“The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis”_ > > Our Universe spins around a preferred axis because it is a larger version of a polar jet. > > Mysterious Cosmic ‘Dark Flow’ Tracked Deeper into Universe > > _“The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. “We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we’d like whether the clusters are coming or going,” Kashlinsky said.”_ > > The clusters are headed along this path because our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet. > > “Other Universes are Pulling on Our Universe” – New Planck Data Triggers Controversy (Today’s Most Popular) > ["Other Universes are Pulling on Our Universe" -- New Planck Data Triggers Controversy (Today's Most Popular)](http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/10/is-our-universe-one-of-billions-new-planck-data-has-anomalies-caused-by-unknown-gravitational-pull-t.html) > > _“The first ‘hard evidence’ that other universes exist has been claimed to have been found by cosmologists studying new Planck data released this past June. They have concluded that it shows anomalies that can only have been caused by the gravitational pull of other universes.”_ > > It’s not evidence of external universes pulling on the matter in our universe. It is evidence of directionality of matter in our universe which refutes the isotropic big bang. So? ---
**Author:** ![Farin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e79b87/32.png) [@Farin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/14 "2014-05-03T12:01:02Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > ‘Cosmic microwave background’ > [Cosmic microwave background - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Low_multipoles_and_other_anomalies) > > _“With the increasingly precise data provided by WMAP, there have been a number of claims that the CMB exhibits anomalies, such as very large scale anisotropies, anomalous alignments, and non-Gaussian distributions. … A number of groups have suggested that this could be the signature of new physics at the greatest observable scales”_ > > The new physics is understanding our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet. > > ‘Cosmos may be curved, scientists say’ > [Cosmos may be curved, scientists say | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/12/cosmos-may-be-curved-scientists-say/?intcmp=features) > > _“Now cosmologists suggest these anomalies occur because the universe is not flat. Instead, these researchers propose the universe may be ever so slightly “open,” curved in such a way that parallel lines, which never converge or diverge when traveling on a flat surface, will eventually diverge from one another, like on a saddle.”_ > > Our Universe is open because it is a larger version of a polar jet. > > ‘Was the universe born spinning?’ > [http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688](http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688) > > _“The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis”_ > > Our Universe spins around a preferred axis because it is a larger version of a polar jet. > > Mysterious Cosmic ‘Dark Flow’ Tracked Deeper into Universe > > _“The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. “We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we’d like whether the clusters are coming or going,” Kashlinsky said.”_ > > The clusters are headed along this path because our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet. > > “Other Universes are Pulling on Our Universe” – New Planck Data Triggers Controversy (Today’s Most Popular) > ["Other Universes are Pulling on Our Universe" -- New Planck Data Triggers Controversy (Today's Most Popular)](http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/10/is-our-universe-one-of-billions-new-planck-data-has-anomalies-caused-by-unknown-gravitational-pull-t.html) > > _“The first ‘hard evidence’ that other universes exist has been claimed to have been found by cosmologists studying new Planck data released this past June. They have concluded that it shows anomalies that can only have been caused by the gravitational pull of other universes.”_ > > It’s not evidence of external universes pulling on the matter in our universe. It is evidence of directionality of matter in our universe which refutes the isotropic big bang. So, you infer from the information that it’s a polar jet, even though there is no mention of the phenomenon in your sources. Still going to say that ‘belief’ (aka ‘religion’) is your only reason for going with “polar jet” versus “big bang.” You also reject people’s work doing the math to calculate the Planck data with your own theory, seemingly without source. Do you have a cite that backs up this rejection? And I’d still like to know how aether can exist as a mass or energy field without the energy decay being factored into the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/15 "2014-05-03T13:08:39Z")
Please explain what you mean by ‘state of displacement’, because you keep using the term Is it analogous to pressure, motion, compression, turbulence, or what? ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/16 "2014-05-03T13:16:43Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > How much? I.e. what’s the mass of, say, one cubic metre of aether? The following article describes the mass associated with what the author describes as the particles the aether consists of. I do not think we can know if the aether consists of particles or not. However, it still represents a mass associated with a volume of the aether. ‘From the Newton’s laws to motions of the fluid and superfluid vacuum: vortex tubes, rings, and others’ > **[From the Newton's laws to motions of the fluid and superfluid vacuum: vortex...](https://arxiv.org/abs/1403.3900)** > > Owing to three conditions (namely: (a) the velocity is represented by sum of irrotational and solenoidal components; (b) the fluid is barotropic; (c) a bath with the fluid undergoes vertical vibrations) the Navier-Stokes equation admits reduction to... > [@](#): > > Where to? I mean, if the aether occupies all of space, and is incompressible, then how can matter displace it? Furthermore, in such a cosmos, how does Newton’s first law hold? A boat, moving through water, comes to rest without continuous force acting on it, while particles moving through space move uniformly as long as no force is applied. There is an elasticity to the aether which is its state of displacement. ‘Alert Einstein’s ‘First Paper’’ > **[Albert%20Einstein%5c%27s%20First%20Paper%20by%20Anonymous.pdf](https://www.efiko.org/material/Albert%20Einstein%5c%27s%20First%20Paper%20by%20Anonymous.pdf)** _“The velocity of a wave is proportional to the square root of the elastic forces which cause [its] propagation, and inversely proportional to the mass of the aether moved by these forces.”_ Einstein is referring to the state of displacement of the aether. The velocity of a wave is proportional to the square root of the elastic forces which cause its propagation, and inversely proportional to the mass of the aether displaced by these forces. > [@](#): > > How much pressure? What’s the equation of state of your aether? Why is gravity in this picture proportional to a body’s mass, and not to its volume? A ball of twine of a given volume displaces the aether as much as a ball of lead, but their gravitational field is different, of course. And why is the gravitational attraction between two bodies proportional to the product of their masses? How do you explain the 1/r[sup]2[/sup] drop in the strength of the gravitational force over distance? ‘Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy’ > **[Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy](https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176)** > > We propose a novel solution for the endpoint of gravitational collapse, in which spacetime ends (and is orbifolded) at a microscopic distance from black hole event horizons. This model is motivated by the emergence of singular event horizons in the... \*"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is ∼ 60 orders of magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether [14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure), which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical, and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]: **3** 32πGN Gμν = Tμν − Tα gμν + Tμν , Tμν = p (uμ uν + gμν ), T μν;ν = 0, where GN is Newton’s constant, Tμν is the matter energy momentum tensor and Tμν is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid. In vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."\* > [@](#): > > So if the FERMI signal of a [30-40 GeV dark matter particle](http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/fermi-data-tantalize-with-new-clues-to-dark-matter/#.U2Sh-4GKWSo) checks out, then your theory is falsified, I suppose? None of the experiments will detect a particle. There won’t be a dent in an apparatus. What all the experiments are going to detect is a change in the state of the detection equipment with respect to the state of the aether in which they exist. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/17 "2014-05-03T13:22:13Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So? So, the Big Bang is a religious belief. You are standing on a bridge that spans a river that empties into a lake. A physicist drops a bunch of floats into the river on the side of the bridge opposite the lake. The physicist runs to the other side of the bridge to see the floats move away from one another as they empty into the lake. The physicist insists the only plausible explanation for this is that there was a big bang under the bridge. You show him the video you made of him dropping the floats into the river opposite the lake. The physicist insists that did not occur, that the only possible explanation for the floats moving away from one another is that a big bang occurred under the bridge. You realize you are not dealing with mainstream physics as it should be, you realize you are dealing with a religious cult. _All_ of the evidence is evidence we are in a larger version of a black hole polar jet. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/18 "2014-05-03T13:24:17Z")
That escalated quickly. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/19 "2014-05-03T13:26:04Z")
> [@Farin](#): > > So, you infer from the information that it’s a polar jet, even though there is no mention of the phenomenon in your sources. Still going to say that ‘belief’ (aka ‘religion’) is your only reason for going with “polar jet” versus “big bang.” > > You also reject people’s work doing the math to calculate the Planck data with your own theory, seemingly without source. Do you have a cite that backs up this rejection? > > And I’d still like to know how aether can exist as a mass or energy field without the energy decay being factored into the universe. A boat has a bow wave. A surfer rides the ocean wave. A particle moving through the aether is both boat and surfer simultaneously. ‘The pilot-wave dynamics of walking droplets’ [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/nmC0ygr08tE/hqdefault.jpg "The pilot-wave dynamics of walking droplets") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmC0ygr08tE) ---
**Author:** ![Farin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e79b87/32.png) [@Farin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/20 "2014-05-03T13:30:53Z")
[quote=“mpc755, post:19, topic:687565”] A boat has a bow wave. A surfer rides the ocean wave. A particle moving through the aether is both boat and surfer simultaneously. ‘The pilot-wave dynamics of walking droplets’ [/QUOTE] A boat must constantly push against the wave. A surfer must constantly expend energy to stay afloat. When you run out of gas or you pass out from exhaustion, the expenditure of energy stops and you are no longer moving, except as part and parcel to the ocean. Thus, if aether existed, it would cause energy to stop, especially over distance. You can also make with the cites. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565.md?page=2)