# The Milky Way's halo is curved spacetime **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565 "2014-05-03T04:11:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Farin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e79b87/32.png) [@Farin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/21 "2014-05-03T13:33:27Z")
Yer. I just found your last thread that was locked and you were threatened with a mod stabbing a mere 36 hours ago. I’ll just exit this thread, then. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/22 "2014-05-03T13:47:14Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Please explain what you mean by ‘state of displacement’, because you keep using the term > > Is it analogous to pressure, motion, compression, turbulence, or what? There is an elasticity associated with the aether which I referred to in the second part of my response here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17344888&postcount=16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17344888&postcount=16) If you were to place a bowling ball into a tank of water the water would be displaced evenly. If there were a grid used to represent the water the grid would remain the same except for where the bowling ball now exists. The following image represents the grid associated with water. If you were to place a bowling ball in the water the grid would not change its structure. [![](https://www.tutorhelpdesk.com/UserFiles/space-lattice-unit-cell-represenatation666666.JPG) ](https://www.tutorhelpdesk.com/UserFiles/space-lattice-unit-cell-represenatation666666.JPG) The bowling ball in the aether would change the grid associated with the aether. This is often described as the rubber sheet analogy. The rubber sheet analogy is not very good as it doesn’t represent the state of displacement of the aether in three dimensions. [http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/assets/images/research/cosmology/gravitational\_waves/fabric\_of\_space\_warp.jpg](http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/assets/images/research/cosmology/gravitational_waves/fabric_of_space_warp.jpg) The further you get from the object the less the aether is displaced by the object. What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether. > **[Casimir effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect#Vacuum_energy)** > > In quantum field theory, the Casimir effect (or Casimir force) is a physical force acting on the macroscopic boundaries of a confined space which arises from the quantum fluctuations of a field. The term Casimir pressure is sometimes used when it is described in units of force per unit area. It is named after the Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir, who predicted the effect for electromagnetic systems in 1948. > In the same year Casimir, together with Dirk Polder, described a similar effect experien... _“a “field” in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position”_ A “field” in physics is space filled with aether, and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its relativistic rest position. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/23 "2014-05-03T13:50:19Z")
> [@Farin](#): > > A boat must constantly push against the wave. A surfer must constantly expend energy to stay afloat. When you run out of gas or you pass out from exhaustion, the expenditure of energy stops and you are no longer moving, except as part and parcel to the ocean. > > Thus, if aether existed, it would cause energy to stop, especially over distance. The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid. By definition, objects will not slow down as the move through a supersolid. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/24 "2014-05-03T14:06:10Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid. By definition, objects will not slow down as the move through a supersolid. Why haven’t you formalized your hypothesis and submitted it for a Nobel Prize yet? ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/25 "2014-05-03T14:09:19Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why haven’t you formalized your hypothesis and submitted it for a Nobel Prize yet? > **[PDF document Aether\_Displacement.pdf](https://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/04/09/aether-displacement/)** ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/26 "2014-05-03T14:51:46Z")
This makes you [a pamphleteer](http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/37243/), not a peer reviewed and published scientist. Are you expect this pdf to make its way through the aether to the Nobel Prize committee? ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/27 "2014-05-03T14:58:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > This makes you [a pamphleteer](http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/37243/), not a peer reviewed and published scientist. > > Are you expect this pdf to make its way through the aether to the Nobel Prize committee? Nope. I expect physics to eventually pull its head out of its ass and realize the Milky Way’s halo is curved spacetime. ---
**Author:** ![elninost0rm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@elninost0rm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elninost0rm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/28 "2014-05-03T15:02:26Z")
You’ll forgive me for not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/29 "2014-05-03T15:03:33Z")
> [@elninost0rm](#): > > You’ll forgive me for not holding my breath. You’ll forgive me for not being surprised at your inability to understand the Milky Way’s halo is curved spacetime. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/30 "2014-05-03T15:07:22Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > Nope. I expect physics to eventually pull its head out of its ass and realize the Milky Way’s halo is curved spacetime. That would make a great t-shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/31 "2014-05-03T15:15:55Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > You are standing on a bridge that spans a river that empties into a lake. A physicist drops a bunch of floats into the river on the side of the bridge opposite the lake. The physicist runs to the other side of the bridge to see the floats move away from one another as they empty into the lake. > > The physicist insists the only plausible explanation for this is that there was a big bang under the bridge. > > You show him the video you made of him dropping the floats into the river opposite the lake. The physicist insists that did not occur, that the only possible explanation for the floats moving away from one another is that a big bang occurred under the bridge. Are you telling us that you have actual evidence of what happened before the event we all consider the Big Bang, that we are somehow ignoring??? ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/32 "2014-05-03T15:30:35Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That would make a great t-shirt. I like this one: > **[abstrusegoose.com - abstrusegoose Resources and Information.](http://www.abstrusegoose.com/564)** > > abstrusegoose.com is your first and best source for all of the information you’re looking for. From general topics to more of what you would expect to find here, abstrusegoose.com has it all. We hope you find what you are searching for! All for understanding in a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/33 "2014-05-03T15:33:01Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > Nope. I expect physics to eventually pull its head out of its ass and realize the Milky Way’s halo is curved spacetime. A simple search reveals that you’ve been pleading your case on various science related boards for over two years. The most frequent response has been, and continues to be, ‘Show your work!’. It seems that circular reasoning and un-tested, un-proven ideas obscured by pseudo-scientific language continue to fail to pass as evidence. Is your approach for acceptance of your position purely to wear ‘physics’ down through the repetitive nature of your argument alone? Don’t get me wrong. All evidence to the contrary, perhaps you are really on to something here. Perhaps what you really need is to find the Mileva Marić to your Albert Einstein. But until you do and are finally able to ‘Show Your Work!’, I’m afraid you’re in for continued disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/34 "2014-05-03T15:40:18Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > Are you telling us that you have actual evidence of what happened before the event we all consider the Big Bang, that we are somehow ignoring??? There is no evidence of a before the Universal jet. That doesn’t mean there was, or wasn’t, a before the Universal jet, just that there is no evidence of it. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/35 "2014-05-03T15:42:10Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > A simple search reveals that you’ve been pleading your case on various science related boards for over two years. The most frequent response has been, and continues to be, ‘Show your work!’. It seems that circular reasoning and un-tested, un-proven ideas obscured by pseudo-scientific language continue to fail to pass as evidence. > > Is your approach for acceptance of your position purely to wear ‘physics’ down through the repetitive nature of your argument alone? > > Don’t get me wrong. All evidence to the contrary, perhaps you are really on to something here. Perhaps what you really need is to find the Mileva Marić to your Albert Einstein. But until you do and are finally able to ‘Show Your Work!’, I’m afraid you’re in for continued disappointment. The work already exists. All mainstream physics has to realize is aether has mass, there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter and matter moves through and displaces the aether. Curved spacetime _is_ the state of displacement of the aether. You can either understand it, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/36 "2014-05-03T15:43:17Z")
Let’s lock mpc & karol in the same room together and see which is the first to break down. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/37 "2014-05-03T15:51:21Z")
> [@mpc755](#): > > All mainstream physics has to realize is aether has mass… Surely there must be some simple experiment that could be performed to confirm this, right? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/38 "2014-05-03T15:52:37Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Let’s lock mpc & karol in the same room together and see which is the first to break down. I predict a nuclear reaction. Maybe even a new element. ---
**Author:** ![mpc755](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mpc755/32/7307_2.png) [@mpc755](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mpc755)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565/39 "2014-05-03T15:57:03Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Surely there must be some simple experiment that could be performed to confirm this, right? The following is a modified so-called ‘delayed choice quantum eraser’ experiment. If the results of the experiment are as I predict nothing is delayed and nothing is erased and the two interference patterns at D0 will be discerned. A combination of Dac1 and (Dbc1 or Dbc2) will allow for one of the interference patterns at D0 to be discerned. A combination of Dac2 and (Dbc1 or Dbc2) will allow for the other interference pattern to be discerned. Interference patterns at D0 are being created regardless of what else occurs in the experiment. Since only certain photons arrive at Dac1, Dac2, Dbc1 and Dbc2 after interacting with the second beam splitter they allow for the two interference patterns at D0 to be discerned. [![](https://i.imgur.com/z5yEiDa.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/z5yEiDa.png) ---
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> [@running\_coach](#): > > That would make a great t-shirt. rofl can i still say that? it feels dated but i couldn’t resist ROFL [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-milky-ways-halo-is-curved-spacetime/687565.md?page=3)