# The minty green and Ex Tank appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2002, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696 "2002-06-06T16:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/41 "2002-06-07T02:07:12Z")
Sorry, folks, this is “Appreciation.” “Contentious Childishness” is down the hall. And, as a witness to that train wreck, I find it a wonder that native-English-speaking adults cannot understand that “the founders specifically said x was not a reason for y” is not equal to “the founders did not use x as a reason for y, but they did use w as a reason for y” which in turn is not equal to “which is not to say that x _was not_ a reason for y, it merely was not the one they gave” And now I’m going to go have some damned Rocky Road ice cream. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/42 "2002-06-07T02:12:46Z")
Take it MSPSIMS, ya yellow belly. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/43 "2002-06-07T02:15:57Z")
**catsix** - I wasn’t a participant in the gun control thread. Don’t know that we’ve crossed paths, but I checked out the first couple o’ pages of that [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114012), and found the relevant posts. **minty** said [quote] For clarification: The only part of that quote I take issue with is the highlighted portion: > [@](#): > > Any damn fool knows that the framers of the constitution wanted the people, citizens, individuals, etc… to be able to keep and bear arms for **protection against thieves, murderers and other assorted riff-raff,** not to mention tyrannical gov’ts and invading armies. In other words, his position seems to be that he sees **no evidence** that the framers included the highlighted portion in their concept of bearing arms - he doesn’t believe that they said this. When you ask him to prove that, it is indeed an impossability - since in order to do so, he’d have to cite \*\*absolutely everything \*\* they ever said in order to demonstrate that they ‘never said that’. So, he’s correct here, you were asking for something that couldn’t be done. If you believe that the framers did in fact intend the highlighted portion, you should be able to come up with some evidence that they did. Kinda like how Mark Furman got caught up - he asserted that he’d **never** said a certain word. All that was necessary to do was to demonstrate that he had, even once. I could assert that the framers meant a right to **be** rich is implied in their ‘right to life, liberty & pursuit of happiness’, since being rich would make my life more free and happy, but absent some documentation that was their intent, we’d have to assume, no. and I wouldn’t be able to ‘prove’ my point by demanding that you prove that they \*\*didn’t \*\* say that. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/44 "2002-06-07T02:27:07Z")
Dammit, **xenophon** , now you owe **wring** for her Excedrin bill too. What kind of monster are you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ziactrice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Ziactrice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziactrice)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/45 "2002-06-07T02:30:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **(And on a side note: I’ve met Ex Tank, and not only is he an excellent debater, he is something of a hunk, too. Why are the really handsome ones always straight?)** So we women have someone to find attractive, too. Not only can he debate, he is a hunk, and I got to see him in his rapier, boots, tights, flowing shirt, and Musketeer-era hat with feather at Scarborough Faire. Sigh. There is just something about a guy who is gallant and can carry his sword well. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/46 "2002-06-07T02:35:44Z")
Oh god, Tank is a Scarborough Faire geek? I take it back, I want UncleBeer for my second. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/47 "2002-06-07T02:37:18Z")
**xenophon** Your **OP** was truly magnificent. As a lurker in threads such as gun control, I truly appreciate the expertise demonstrated on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Ziactrice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Ziactrice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziactrice)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/48 "2002-06-07T02:41:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Oh god, Tank is a Scarborough Faire geek? I take it back, I want UncleBeer for my second. \*\* Why on Earth? Wouldn’t being a practicing historian make him more qualified, not less? (I would object to the geek label, too, but that isn’t germane.) ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/49 "2002-06-07T03:25:08Z")
Sorry, Ziactrice, but I just don’t need a second who’s dressed in leather pants and a _Seinfeld_ pirate suit while crying “Huzzah!” all through the duel. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/50 "2002-06-07T03:37:41Z")
Hey, **minty**. What kind of lawyer are you, preferringt _substance_ over _style_? You’re never gonna win the F. Lee Bailey Award.😃 ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/51 "2002-06-07T11:58:19Z")
Oh, that’s easy. I’m an _appellate_ lawyer. It’s much harder to pull the wool over the eyes of a panel of judges than a bunch of people who couldn’t get out of jury duty. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/52 "2002-06-07T12:15:55Z")
Appreciation? Fine. He’s a master of condescension. It’s really impressive how arrogant he is. And god DAMN do I wish I could master that ability he has to believe that nobody else could EVER be right about anything. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/53 "2002-06-07T12:28:39Z")
Couldn’t find anything, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Ziactrice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Ziactrice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziactrice)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/54 "2002-06-07T12:33:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Sorry, Ziactrice, but I just don’t need a second who’s dressed in leather pants and a _Seinfeld_ pirate suit while crying “Huzzah!” all through the duel. 😉 \*\* Snort! You would not be so unfairly contemptuous of **Ex-Tank’s** talents if you had seen the way the fellow can speed-draw and cock a double-barreled, old-fashioned derringer. (He had both, pistol and sword. Maybe he was once a Boy Scout?) Besides, who would be crazy enough to try to wear leather pants in the heat of a Dallas, Texas day? \ Talk about your chafing problems!\ Not that I’d mind if he tried, of course, I’d just hang around with a bottle of water hoping to ‘save’ him later… and watch. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/55 "2002-06-07T12:37:38Z")
**Catsix** , you are really waaay out of your league here. **Minty** ’s bring facts, you’re whining like a spoiled child. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/56 "2002-06-07T12:45:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\ ***Catsix** , you are really waaay out of your league here. > > **Minty** ’s bring facts, you’re whining like a spoiled child. \*\* not to mention the excedrin headache I got finding the offending post (nicely linked and quoted on the first page), wherein I show exactly what he said and demonstrated why her demand of ‘proof’ was impossible, as **minty** claimed. Here’s a really big tip - you do your side more harm than good if you don’t have the good graces to admit, ‘oops, I misunderstood’ or whatever, rather than, as you do here, make an assertion, fail to back it up and then rely on ‘well, he’s a real big poopy head’ as a rebuttal. and, I have made it a point to stay out of gun control threads anyhow, so I **really** don’t have a dog in that race. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/57 "2002-06-07T12:57:46Z")
**minty** , **wring** … The excedrine’s on me. Now, is there anyone you two _really_ wanna see roasted? I can start another one of these appreciation threads, y’know… \<_…cackling eeeeevilly…_\> ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/58 "2002-06-07T13:35:09Z")
Awww, but EVERYBODY apparently loves **ExTank**. ☹ Maybe I need to get a sword and a puffy shirt after all. But would I have to start ordering tankards of ale instead of Shiner Bock? ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/59 "2002-06-07T14:05:42Z")
**Minty** , when the hell do you work? ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-minty-green-and-ex-tank-appreciation-thread/112696/60 "2002-06-07T14:12:14Z")
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