# The morons are on the march, part 42,527 (Frisco, TX edition) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746 "2006-09-30T16:02:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/181 "2006-09-30T23:36:12Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] You or me, man. You or me. And let me say, when I think of great collections of art, Artesia does not exactly come to mind. [/QUOTE] Really, then we disagree. I think that those sculptures are must see for anyone traveling through that part of New Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/182 "2006-09-30T23:38:14Z")
[QUOTE=Achren] Grossly exposed? The hell? They saw a few nudes while in an art museum. [/QUOTE] He or she and I were talking about children watching people fuck not museums. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/183 "2006-09-30T23:43:15Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] To point out how loopy he’s being, I really like the Freer-Sackler galleries, the Freer especially. I don’t really care for the American art, but the other stuff I really like. It’s been a couple years since I was last in the Freer but I’m sure there are at least a few nudes in most of the collections. However, I don’t remember any in the Japanese collection, though I wouldn’t be surprised that I’m wrong. However, let’s assume that I’m right. So, let’s say a school group goes to look at the Japanese collection. Now, remember, it’s a museum, so it’s easy enough to wander into other sections. Someone sees [this statue](http://www.asia.si.edu/collections/singleObject.cfm?ObjectId=9849) (and it took me quite a while scanning the galleries to find this.) And, if I’m remembering correctly, the South Asian art is right next to the Japanese art (but I can’t find a map.) Anyway, now no child should be allowed to go see the Japanese part of the Freer-Sackler gallery. [/QUOTE] What’s wrong with that statue? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/184 "2006-09-30T23:43:25Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] And, as has been pointed out already, the Texas education system is the most fucked up in the entire nation. If art _weren’t_ neglected in favor of football and state tests, maybe that would change. Sure as hell won’t ever happen as long as we’ve got people like you around, though. [/QUOTE] LOL. You put a lot of store in silly pictures. 😃 Art is pretty fucking irrelevant. Math, Science, Reading Crompehension, and Composition is where it’s at. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/185 "2006-09-30T23:44:25Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] He or she and I were talking about children watching people fuck not museums. [/QUOTE] _goes back, rereads posts_ Ah, indeed. Though this was the actual quote [QUOTE=betenoir] \Beyond that, yeah, death is normal. So is sex. You still haven’t made a good argument for hiding one from chillren and not the other. I think I would FAR more tramatitised seeing adults killing an animal for…beautiful pageantry than I would seeing them having sex.\ [/QUOTE] You’d have to check back with **betenior** to see if “seeing them having sex” could equal “Grossly exposed”. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/186 "2006-09-30T23:49:38Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] LOL. You put a lot of store in silly pictures. 😃 Art is pretty fucking irrelevant. Math, Science, Reading Crompehension, and Composition is where it’s at. [/QUOTE] And that statement explains everything we need to know about you…Thanks… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/187 "2006-09-30T23:53:18Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] LOL. You put a lot of store in silly pictures. 😃 Art is pretty fucking irrelevant. Math, Science, Reading Crompehension, and Composition is where it’s at. [/QUOTE] Without art, there’s no point to math, science, reading comprehension, or composition. Art is what defines the human condition. Anyone who say that are is “irrelevant” is not, in my opinion, fully human. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/188 "2006-09-30T23:54:18Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Because it’s a picture of a cunt. It’s inappropriate for fifth graders IMO and AFAIC whether sexual or not. [/QUOTE] Why? Half of them have one. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/189 "2006-09-30T23:56:01Z")
[QUOTE=Achren] _goes back, rereads posts_ Ah, indeed. Though this was the actual quote You’d have to check back with **betenior** to see if “seeing them having sex” could equal “Grossly exposed”. [/QUOTE] I think that any traumatization from either event would be pretty non-existant. But if it was continuous habitual witnessing of sex by a young minor child, this would have have a negative emotional and psycological affect. Whereas continuous exposure to what actually offends betenior’s sensibilities, a bullfight, which is art, would not. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/190 "2006-09-30T23:57:23Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] Why? Half of them have one. [/QUOTE] Eggs Ackley. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/191 "2006-09-30T23:58:16Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] Why? Half of them have one. [/QUOTE] only half of the Hip doper children…children in the real world dont have one until their parents say they do. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/192 "2006-09-30T23:58:39Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] What’s wrong with that statue? [/QUOTE] It’s (at least looks like) got nipples. In any case, she’s clearly not wearing a shirt. I told you, I was trying to scan 30 thumbnails at a time looking for something. How about [this one](http://www.asia.si.edu/collections/singleObject.cfm?ObjectId=9849)? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/193 "2006-09-30T23:59:25Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Without art, there’s no point to math, science, reading comprehension, or composition. Art is what defines the human condition. Anyone who say that are is “irrelevant” is not, in my opinion, fully human. [/QUOTE] So it teen pregnancy, stds, poor educational stats, abstinence only education that’s a problem, but lack of enough art classes and fifth grade field trips. Okey doke. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/194 "2006-10-01T00:07:15Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] So it teen pregnancy, stds, poor educational stats, abstinence only education that’s a problem, but lack of enough art classes and fifth grade field trips. Okey doke. :dubious: [/QUOTE] Ok…What? ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/195 "2006-10-01T00:11:42Z")
Does anyone have a link to the painting? I can’t imagine it’s pornographic if it’s in a museum. I thought they had a lot of cattle ranches and horses and things in Texas. Don’t kids have pets? At what age are kids in Texas allowed to know they have genitalia? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/196 "2006-10-01T00:12:42Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] So it teen pregnancy, stds, poor educational stats, abstinence only education that’s a problem, but lack of enough art classes and fifth grade field trips. Okey doke. :dubious: [/QUOTE] No, it’s ignorance, narrow mindedness, and provincialism that’s the problem. A vigorous artistic education program is a sign of a robust education system. Simply throwing a bunch of art at ten year olds won’t fix everything, but so long as idiots like the ones complaining in the OP are heeded by the schools, so long as art budgets continue to be slashed to help swell the coffers of the football programs, we’ll continue to know that there’s something deeply wrong with education in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/197 "2006-10-01T00:13:59Z")
BTW is there any art that is not appropriate for young minor children, like those in fifth grade? These Asian statues are tame shit. Personally, I see nothing wrong with exposure to them as a broad based art museum visit. It shouldn’t be solely this type of sculptures of course. But there is harder shit out there that is still widely considered to be art. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/198 "2006-10-01T00:14:43Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Is this a correct summary of your position, **Unregistered Bull**? Parents should have a great deal of control over what their child is exposed to by agents of the government in the form of public school teachers. The parents were not fully informed, and thus not capable of giving informed consent. Therefor the parent has a justified complaint. [/QUOTE] Dear Parents: Today the 5th grade class is going on a field trip tp the art museum. Then children may be exposed to the following: statues and paintings of people without clothes on, art depicting a semi-nude man being nailed to a piece of wood, silk screen prints of soup cans that may contain trans fats, paintings showing the creation of the earth in direct contradiction to scientific evidence, paintings by a one eared man who may have been schizophrenic, art by a number of know homosexuals, and a painting of a man standing up in a boat in violation of coast guard standards. On the way to the museum the bus may pass billboards with women wearing lingerie, advertisements for alcohol, or movies that have not been approved by the Catholic church. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/199 "2006-10-01T00:18:17Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] No, it’s ignorance, narrow mindedness, and provincialism that’s the problem. A vigorous artistic education program is a sign of a robust education system. Simply throwing a bunch of art at ten year olds won’t fix everything, but so long as idiots like the ones complaining in the OP are heeded by the schools, so long as art budgets continue to be slashed to help swell the coffers of the football programs, we’ll continue to know that there’s something deeply wrong with education in Texas. [/QUOTE] I took the ACT. I don’t recall any art. What part of the SAT is art? And the GRE? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/200 "2006-10-01T00:19:56Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Everyone’s morals are different. I don’t think that is appropriate for fifth graders to look at. This constant pushing of acceptable boundaries of nudity and sexuality by the _hip and cool_ toward young minor children is something that makes me not feel so bad when something tame inflames the shit out of some parent and a head rolls. It seems that folks just have to keep pushing the envelope here. How about some Goddamn respect for letting individual parents decide? [/QUOTE] So, you think one moron parent should prevent 29 or 30 other kids from getting exposure to art? As far as I can tell none of the others have objected. No trip my kids ever went on, to anywhere, did not involve a permission slip. You’ve not addressed the responsibility of the parents who let the kids go, and then complained. I don’t know what you mean by accident. No one claims the teacher took them there to show them nudes. I assume the teacher, who had been teaching art for a long time, knew what was in the museum, so the presence of nudes was not an accident. And finally, we took our girls to the Louvre when the youngest was in third grade. We didn’t avoid any parts, not that we could have. Are you calling us immoral? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746.md?page=11)