# The morons are on the march, part 42,527 (Frisco, TX edition) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746 "2006-09-30T16:02:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/41 "2006-09-30T17:24:35Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] How many public general art museums have you been to recently? Daniel [/QUOTE] Public art displays in the past year. 5. They weren’t in dedicated art museums though. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/42 "2006-09-30T17:25:59Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Public art displays in the past year. 5. They weren’t in dedicated art museums though. [/QUOTE] So the answer to my question is zero, which indicates you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. You’d certainly be unfit to be a principal, and if you approved a visit to an art museum without having visited one, you’d be an idiot. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/43 "2006-09-30T17:26:16Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It couln’t be a problem EVER unless you are an imbecile. [/QUOTE] The teacher is quite an imbecile to think that nothing could come of this. As are those that are suprised that it is even an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/44 "2006-09-30T17:28:54Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] So the answer to my question is zero, which indicates you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. You’d certainly be unfit to be a principal, and if you approved a visit to an art museum without having visited one, you’d be an idiot. Daniel [/QUOTE] I’m sure that the principal is feeling as such. But the teacher took the fall. And surely you aren’t naive enough to believe that they haven’t taken falls before while principals remain relatively unscathed. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/45 "2006-09-30T17:30:11Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] The teacher is quite an imbecile to think that nothing could come of this. As are those that are suprised that it is even an issue. [/QUOTE] Actually, i’m going to agree with you to a certain extent here. Anyone who lives in Texas and who discounts the possibility of reactionary idiocy and retarded intellectual capacity, or who expresses surprise when those things come to the surface, is clearly either stupid or new to the state. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/46 "2006-09-30T17:31:03Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] I’m sure that the principal is feeling as such. But the teacher took the fall. And surely you aren’t naive enough to believe that they haven’t taken falls before while principals remain relatively unscathed. [/QUOTE] Once more: if a teacher is not sure whether an activity is appropriate, her job, her duty, is to run the idea by the principal. If the principal says that the activity is appropriate, the teacher’s ass is covered. If the teacher does not check with the principal, her ass is not covered. It’s very simple. If the principal slimes out of it, the principal is being unprofessional and unethical. Yes, I recognize that there are unethical people in the world. That doesn’t mean that it’s not outrageous when it occurs. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/47 "2006-09-30T17:31:19Z")
[QUOTE=wring] where on earth do you live? [/QUOTE] I live somewhere where most 5th grade teachers have more sense than to expose 5th grade students to nude art without parental permission. ie., the real world ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/48 "2006-09-30T17:32:14Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Public art displays in the past year. 5. They weren’t in dedicated art museums though. [/QUOTE] exactly my point from above. public art displays are often, as I mentioned before, a showing of a particular artist or a particular medium or style. at a public art display of “still lifes”, it would be distinctly odd to see a nude. however, an art museum by it’s very nature, would have various periods of art exhibited, various mediums and stlyes and I would find it distinctly surprising if there weren’t at least a few nudes displayed. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/49 "2006-09-30T17:33:01Z")
[QUOTE=wring] The Statue of David, one of the worlds most recognizable pieces of art is a nude. [/QUOTE] Forget David. The fucking SISTINE CHAPEL is full of nudes. For the uncultured, the ‘chapel’ there isn’t some sort of ironic joke. The Sistine Chapel is a church. A church adorned with breasts and penes. A lot of them. But we all know Vatican City is a bastion of sexual immorality and immodesty. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/50 "2006-09-30T17:34:09Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Actually, i’m going to agree with you to a certain extent here. Anyone who lives in Texas and who discounts the possibility of reactionary idiocy and retarded intellectual capacity, or who expresses surprise when those things come to the surface, is clearly either stupid or new to the state. [/QUOTE] Or, as in this case, perfectally normal reactions by parents even given local sensibilities even. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/51 "2006-09-30T17:34:10Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] I live somewhere where most 5th grade teachers have more sense than to expose 5th grade students to nude art without parental permission. ie., the real world [/QUOTE] That is so absurd, I don’t even know how to respond to it. I have visited a local art museum recently, as part of a class on teaching art to elementary school students. In this conservative Appalachian county (the city may be liberal, but the county is not, and the county sends students to this museum), there was not only nude statuary and paintings, there was a huge photograph of a woman’s naked pubic area. The docent said that some elementary classrooms asked for certain areas of the museum ot be off-limits for their students–especially private and homeschool groups–but others allowed students to see all the art. She said that there had never been a problem with it. THAT is the real world, not your ignorant construction of it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/52 "2006-09-30T17:34:13Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] I live somewhere where most 5th grade teachers have more sense than to expose 5th grade students to nude art without parental permission. ie., the real world [/QUOTE] odd then, 'cause, I, too, live in the 'real world" and I find it astonishing that folks who would be upset at their 5th graders seeing nude statues at an art museum wouldn’t have the sense to forbid the visit. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/53 "2006-09-30T17:36:18Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] She said that there had never been a problem with it. [/QUOTE] Yet. I imagine that one could certainly be looming though. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/54 "2006-09-30T17:37:24Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Or, as in this case, perfectally normal reactions by parents even given local sensibilities even. [/QUOTE] It is not a “normal” reaction given that there has been exactly one complaint out of visits by around a thousand kids. That makes it a rare case, even of it _could_ be expected. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/55 "2006-09-30T17:37:46Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Contrapuntal brought up the nude bathing bit. Teachers simply don’t show fifth graders naked pictures or statues. If this is truly an accident, then all should be forgiven. I suppose that you think that deliberating exposing fifth graders to nude pictures or statues is fine? I think that would put in a contrary position to many parents in the state of Texas. [/QUOTE] And not that long ago it having the students (well at least the boys) take a “mass nude bath” wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow. When I was in third grade I went on a class trip to an art museum. There was a replica of a Greek statue of a male nude. When a kid asked about it the teacher explained that “that’s just what the ancient Greeks did”. THere was no scandal. Nobody was fired. This was in rural PA. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/56 "2006-09-30T17:40:43Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Or, as in this case, perfectally normal reactions by parents even given local sensibilities even. [/QUOTE] There has only been one complaint out of thousands of parents, so it doesn’t appear that there’s anything normative about it (the fact that’s _ab_normally hysterical and irrational goes without saying). ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/57 "2006-09-30T17:44:58Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Nude art != immorality. It doesn’t even equal sexuality. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] That really depends on the art IMO. Now I don’t think that what happened here is that big of deal. But I understand and accept that others would. And I’m not suprised by it. Or particularly offended either when exception is taken. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/58 "2006-09-30T17:46:03Z")
I should add the some of the material in my elementary school’s library had nude pictures. Including National Geographic, art books, encyclopedias, etc. In sunday school our childrens’ Bibles had Adam and Eve naked (no frontals) as well as Noah. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/59 "2006-09-30T17:46:52Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] It is not a “normal” reaction given that there has been exactly one complaint out of visits by around a thousand kids. That makes it a rare case, even of it _could_ be expected. [/QUOTE] So these thousand kids were taken by this one teacher? Or was it one in a single class that complained? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/60 "2006-09-30T17:49:37Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] In sunday school our childrens’ Bibles had Adam and Eve naked (no frontals) as well as Noah. [/QUOTE] You saw all ther asses? No fig leaves or nothing? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746.md?page=4)