# The morons are on the march, part 42,527 (Frisco, TX edition) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746 "2006-09-30T16:02:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/161 "2006-09-30T22:55:02Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Everyone’s morals are different. I don’t think that is appropriate for fifth graders to look at. This constant pushing of acceptable boundaries of nudity and sexuality by the _hip and cool_ toward young minor children is something that makes me not feel so bad when something tame inflames the shit out of some parent and a head rolls. It seems that folks just have to keep pushing the envelope here. How about some Goddamn respect for letting individual parents decide? [/QUOTE] We have respect for that: it’s called a permission slip, which had to be signed by the parent of every kid who went on the field trip to that museum. Any parent who is not aware that art museums house works depicting naked people has only themselves to blame. How about some Goddamn respect for personal responsibility? ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/162 "2006-09-30T22:57:05Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] How about some Goddamn respect for letting individual parents decide? [/QUOTE] no. thats proving to be a very bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/163 "2006-09-30T23:02:09Z")
[QUOTE=Rhubarb] Given your location, I HOPE that was a whoosh [sub]Terry Schiavo[/sub]. FWIW, Frisco is a formerly small town on the outskirts of D/FW which has only recently been subject to a massive infection of suburban-itis. It has gone from a small farming/ranching community to a major suburb with HUGE shopping malls (the areas only Ikea is there), toll roads, a minor league baseball stadium, and multi-million dollar homes in a fairly short time frame. Frisco has growing pains. Also, there are some astonishingly puritannical minded people in the area. Think Southern Baptist and then cube that. However, that’s true for any area. It’s a spectrum ya know. What I find surprising and disheartening about this isn’t the parents who find that the sight of an unclothed human body is shameful because it’s not covered with fur or something, it’s that the teacher was suspended for not believing that. Either the school board and the principal are spineless cowards for caving to a single child’s parents, or they already had an axe to grind with this teacher and this just gave them enough ammo to do what they wanted to do anyway. Also FWIW, concerning the claims of Texas being filled with small minded reactionaries, in the Friday Dallas Morning News there were several letters to the editor published on this subject. Not a single one of them felt that this teacher did anything wrong, or should be subjected to any discipline. [/QUOTE] Well, I admit to **Chefguy** that Florida should be burned before Texas and Kansas are put to the torch. As to Texas, I don’t care what size the city is, the politicians and most of the otherwise appointed public officials (school teachers, etc., etc.) seem to exhibit what you refer to as Southern Baptist^3. I grew up in Dallas County and remember it well. I’ve said before, there are many great and wonderful people in Texas but the place still produces some of the most reactionary individuals who ever used oxygen the rest of us might someday need. I am not the least bit surprised by what is happening to the teacher in question, in spite of the arrant stupidity exhibited by her persecutors. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/164 "2006-09-30T23:07:10Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] None? Surely at least some can attend with parents or by themselves when they are older. [/QUOTE] nope…its part of a childs education that the school district is supposed to provide. If a parent wants to home school their child, then they can and they can take them or not. If they are a raving moron and think that a public art museum is a bad influence then home school is a good option. but to drage all the other working parents kids down with them…people who may not be able to be off work to do so just so we can cater to the morons of the district is not a good idea for our society…its why Texas is fast becoming a national embarrasment. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/165 "2006-09-30T23:07:45Z")
[QUOTE=bdgr] > [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > Shit, with folks like you here, anyone from New Mexico unless they’re from Albuquerque or Santa Fe, importing New Mexicans just improves the place. I can understand why you would think so. [/QUOTE] I would like to take this opportunity to tell **Unregistered Bull** to stay the fuck in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/166 "2006-09-30T23:07:50Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Everyone’s morals are different. I don’t think that is appropriate for fifth graders to look at. This constant pushing of acceptable boundaries of nudity and sexuality by the _hip and cool_ toward young minor children is something that makes me not feel so bad when something tame inflames the shit out of some parent and a head rolls. It seems that folks just have to keep pushing the envelope here. How about some Goddamn respect for letting individual parents decide? [/QUOTE] But WHY is it inappropriate? You haven’t explained that. It doesn’t sound particularly sexual in context. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/167 "2006-09-30T23:09:57Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] I would like to take this opportunity to tell **Unregistered Bull** to stay the fuck in Texas. [/QUOTE] Thats a horrible thing to say ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/168 "2006-09-30T23:11:42Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] I would like to take this opportunity to tell **Unregistered Bull** to stay the fuck in Texas. [/QUOTE] I was going to mention Las Cruces, especially the college part along with Rio Rancho, but didn’t. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/169 "2006-09-30T23:12:46Z")
[QUOTE=bdgr] Thats a horrible thing to say [/QUOTE] Both places would probably be better off if y’all both left for California or some other fucked up place. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/170 "2006-09-30T23:17:00Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Both places would probably be better off if y’all both left for California or some other fucked up place. 😃 [/QUOTE] Nah…after people you run a state into the ground you just follow the smart people and try to ruin the next place. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/171 "2006-09-30T23:18:19Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] But WHY is it inappropriate? You haven’t explained that. It doesn’t sound particularly sexual in context. [/QUOTE] Because it’s a picture of a cunt. It’s inappropriate for fifth graders IMO and AFAIC whether sexual or not. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/172 "2006-09-30T23:19:40Z")
[QUOTE=bdgr] Nah…after people you run a state into the ground you just follow the smart people and try to ruin the next place. [/QUOTE] I’m a Perry supporter? News to me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/173 "2006-09-30T23:26:49Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Because it’s a picture of a cunt. It’s inappropriate for fifth graders IMO and AFAIC whether sexual or not. [/QUOTE] What is wrong with a picture of a “cunt”? Again, since you haven’t seen the picture in question, what is bad about it? Why is a woman’s anatomy a shameful thing? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/174 "2006-09-30T23:29:12Z")
[QUOTE=bdgr] nope…its part of a childs education that the school district is supposed to provide. If a parent wants to home school their child, then they can and they can take them or not. If they are a raving moron and think that a public art museum is a bad influence then home school is a good option. but to drage all the other working parents kids down with them…people who may not be able to be off work to do so just so we can cater to the morons of the district is not a good idea for our society…its why Texas is fast becoming a national embarrasment. [/QUOTE] We are talking about a fifth grade field trip. Art is usually neglected along with history and social studies. This is Texas. It’s football. Then its passing state tests (which aren’t art heavy). And getting the upwardly mobile into college. Art is pretty far down on the list. That’s a fucking reality, fortunately or unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/175 "2006-09-30T23:31:38Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] We are talking about a fifth grade field trip. Art is usually neglected along with history and social studies. This is Texas. It’s football. Then its passing state tests (which aren’t art heavy). And getting the upwardly mobile into college. Art is pretty far down on the list. That’s a fucking reality, fortunately or unfortunately. [/QUOTE] And, as has been pointed out already, the Texas education system is the most fucked up in the entire nation. If art _weren’t_ neglected in favor of football and state tests, maybe that would change. Sure as hell won’t ever happen as long as we’ve got people like you around, though. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/176 "2006-09-30T23:31:53Z")
[QUOTE=bdgr] Thats a horrible thing to say [/QUOTE] You or me, man. You or me. And let me say, when I think of great collections of art, Artesia does not exactly come to mind. To point out how loopy he’s being, I really like the Freer-Sackler galleries, the Freer especially. I don’t really care for the American art, but the other stuff I really like. It’s been a couple years since I was last in the Freer but I’m sure there are at least a few nudes in most of the collections. However, I don’t remember any in the Japanese collection, though I wouldn’t be surprised that I’m wrong. However, let’s assume that I’m right. So, let’s say a school group goes to look at the Japanese collection. Now, remember, it’s a museum, so it’s easy enough to wander into other sections. Someone sees [this statue](http://www.asia.si.edu/collections/singleObject.cfm?ObjectId=9849) (and it took me quite a while scanning the galleries to find this.) And, if I’m remembering correctly, the South Asian art is right next to the Japanese art (but I can’t find a map.) Anyway, now no child should be allowed to go see the Japanese part of the Freer-Sackler gallery. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/177 "2006-09-30T23:32:56Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] I’m a Perry supporter? News to me. 😃 [/QUOTE] I didn’t say you were THAT dumb…don’t put words in my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/178 "2006-09-30T23:34:30Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] What is wrong with a picture of a “cunt”? Again, since you haven’t seen the picture in question, what is bad about it? Why is a woman’s anatomy a shameful thing? [/QUOTE] You probably can’t even link to it from here without a warning if not actually click disabled so that adults won’t get into trouble at their workplace. I am genuinely curious as to what it looks like. I can’t imagine a pussy picture intending to be art being appropriate in a public school setting with 10 year olds of both sexes. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/179 "2006-09-30T23:34:37Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Really? Who has more mental and social problems? Children grossly exposed to sexuality (as opposed to walking in once or something like that) or ones that have seen a bullfight? Clearly, it’s the over sexualized children. I don’t think that anyone has made a connection between this old art form and any abnormal behaviour.\ [/QUOTE] Grossly exposed? The hell? They saw a few nudes while in an art museum. However, as movies show, Americans have no problem with violence, but sexuality is bad! Bad and evil! So, **UB** what do you think of Europe? They have nudes out in public! _gasp_ ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746/180 "2006-09-30T23:35:19Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] We are talking about a fifth grade field trip. Art is usually neglected along with history and social studies. This is Texas. It’s football. Then its passing state tests (which aren’t art heavy). And getting the upwardly mobile into college. Art is pretty far down on the list. That’s a fucking reality, fortunately or unfortunately. [/QUOTE] Its a fucking reality because people pander to idiots like those who complain. I bet that the majority of people in frisco have no problem with the dallas museum of art…and if they would grow a pair and stand up to the school board then things would improve. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-morons-are-on-the-march-part-42-527-frisco-tx-edition/374746.md?page=10)