[QUOTE=DanBlather]
Dear Parents:
Today the 5th grade class is going on a field trip tp the art museum. Then children may be exposed to the following: statues and paintings of people without clothes on.
[/QUOTE]
That ain’t so fucking hard is it. Solves a lot of fucking problems. I bet a teacher in Frisco wishes she had done that. 
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
BTW is there any art that is not appropriate for young minor children, like those in fifth grade?
[/QUOTE]
absolutely. but not the kind of stuff you would find in a city art museum…and certainly not the type in the dallas museum of art.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
I took the ACT. I don’t recall any art. What part of the SAT is art? And the GRE?
[/QUOTE]
what does that have to do with anything? education is not about getting a good SAT score.
[QUOTE=Voyager]
So, you think one moron parent should prevent 29 or 30 other kids from getting exposure to art? As far as I can tell none of the others have objected.
No trip my kids ever went on, to anywhere, did not involve a permission slip. You’ve not addressed the responsibility of the parents who let the kids go, and then complained.
I don’t know what you mean by accident. No one claims the teacher took them there to show them nudes. I assume the teacher, who had been teaching art for a long time, knew what was in the museum, so the presence of nudes was not an accident.
And finally, we took our girls to the Louvre when the youngest was in third grade. We didn’t avoid any parts, not that we could have. Are you calling us immoral?
[/QUOTE]
They already went. A cromprehensive permission slip would solve any other crisis see my reply to Dan Blather.
If it wasn’t an accident, then I’ll quit feeling so sorry for her.
I have no idea what you saw with your child in your care.
There is really no need for a “comprehensive” permission slip. Any reasonable person would know that there were going to be art like that in a public art museum not located in a region controlled by taliban. Any person who doesnt know this is not qualified to be making decisions for their children in the first place.
[QUOTE=bdgr]
absolutely. but not the kind of stuff you would find in a city art museum…and certainly not the type in the dallas museum of art.
[/QUOTE]
I’ll be Goddamned. There is a fucking moral limit. The way that limits were being poo-pooed; I was beginning to wonder. There is art, even ancient art that demonstrates sex acts. Some can be seen here: apollonius.net Is any of this inappropriate for 5th graders? Everything here is art to me except the cheesey motorcycle pics http://artboobs.blogspot.com/ , is any of this not accceptable for fifth graders?
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
I took the ACT. I don’t recall any art. What part of the SAT is art? And the GRE?
[/QUOTE]
Bitch, is you for real?
[QUOTE=bdgr]
There is really no need for a “comprehensive” permission slip.
[/QUOTE]
Oh really? It sure would saved a lady a job and school district a potential lawsuit. You are hip and cool, a real happening art dude / dudette. You know what to expect, but you ain’t everybody. Hell, some of then might be more backwards than me even. 
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Oh really? It sure would saved a lady a job and school district a potential lawsuit. You are hip and cool, a real happening art dude / dudette. You know what to expect, but you ain’t everybody. Hell, some of then might be more backwards than me even.
[/QUOTE]
has nothing to do with being hip or cool…the kind of art in that museum would not have raised an eybrow in the 50’s.
It has to do with the majority of intelligent well educated people of frisco not caving into the minority of backwards ignorant reactionarys. That would save the job, and go a long way towards improving the educational quality of the school
What’s up with the repeated “hip and cool” references? It seems like Unregistered Bull is attempting to pooh-pooh any morality that disagrees with his own as merely being a temporary and shallow attempt to be fashionable.
[QUOTE=bdgr]
It has to do with the majority of intelligent well educated people of frisco not caving into the minority of backwards ignorant reactionarys. That would save the job, and go a long way towards improving the educational quality of the school
[/QUOTE]
So discrimination against the poorly educated is a saving grace, but not a permission slip that contains one sentence saying that nude paintings and sculptures will be seen?
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold]
It seems like Unregistered Bull is attempting to pooh-pooh any morality that disagrees with his own as merely being a temporary and shallow attempt to be fashionable.
[/QUOTE]
I take it that you are art major. Most here have pooh-poohed the idea that there is any morality acceptable that isn’t theirs. OTHOH I’ve mostly maintained that it varies and should be respected.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
So discrimination against the poorly educated is a saving grace?
[/QUOTE]
yes
People who are too stupid to know that nude statues exist in a public art museum, and are too lazy to find out what is in their local art museum do not need to be making the education decisions…For anyone.
Texas education is critically ill, and the solution to that problem is not to hand the reins to the ignorant and let them drive.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
I take it that you are art major. Most here have pooh-poohed the idea that there is any morality acceptable that isn’t theirs. OTHOH I’ve mostly maintained that it varies and should be respected.
[/QUOTE]
We don’t use the major/minor system here - I study psychology, so make of that what you will.
As I said, you seem to be characterising morality different from your own as being a mere attempt to be cool, which doesn’t seem very accepting of variance. As to being respected, you certainly aren’t showing that; you’re choosing to focus on the one parent who complained whilst ignoring the many, many others who did not complain. If you do, as you claim, respect their morality, doesn’t the fact that many more people saw the museum trip as fine not sway you at all in condemning it?
[QUOTE=bdgr]
absolutely. but not the kind of stuff you would find in a city art museum…and certainly not the type in the dallas museum of art.
[/QUOTE]
pretty muchthe point I made several pages ago our friend doesn;'t seem to wat to admit that the parents have any responsability here, seems especially fond of straw men.
parents signed slips, principal approve the trip, but only the teacher is held responsible?
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
I take it that you are art major. Most here have pooh-poohed the idea that there is any morality acceptable that isn’t theirs. OTHOH I’ve mostly maintained that it varies and should be respected.
[/QUOTE]
Its not that there is any morality accatable that isn’t theirs…
Its that the idea of a teacher being fired for taking little kids to an art museum just like teachers have done as long as anyone has been alive. Only now for some reason our home grown taliban has decided that it is wrong for some reason and all our children have to suffer for it.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Really? Who has more mental and social problems? Children grossly exposed to sexuality (as opposed to walking in once or something like that) or ones that have seen a bullfight? Clearly, it’s the over sexualized children. I don’t think that anyone has made a connection between this old art form and any abnormal behaviour.
What the fuck are you talking about? No one said anything about traumatization from seeing art.
[/QUOTE]
Missed this post.
Ok, since when is anything in this thread about children “grossly exposed to sexuality”? Gee, I thought it was about children to some nudity, that might in some case just might be a bit erotic.
And why this might be not as bad as a kid having to deal with death at a young age as having to deal with sex?
Now, if you’re saying the kids would not be traumatized, then what are you saying? Just because the parent doesn’t like it, that should result in a a woman having to, at best, apologize just to keep her job?
Why?
Answere that or any of my other questions.
[QUOTE=betenoir]
Ok, since when is anything in this thread about children “grossly exposed to sexuality”? .
[/QUOTE]
you brought up the sex stuff, not me.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
BTW is there any art that is not appropriate for young minor children, like those in fifth grade? These Asian statues are tame shit. Personally, I see nothing wrong with exposure to them as a broad based art museum visit. It shouldn’t be solely this type of sculptures of course. But there is harder shit out there that is still widely considered to be art.
[/QUOTE]
I would have to agree with this. Especially if it’s a class trip and maybe their first exposure to art and museums.
