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Everyone’s morals are different. I don’t think that is appropriate for fifth graders to look at. This constant pushing of acceptable boundaries of nudity and sexuality by the hip and cool toward young minor children is something that makes me not feel so bad when something tame inflames the shit out of some parent and a head rolls. It seems that folks just have to keep pushing the envelope here. How about some Goddamn respect for letting individual parents decide?
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We have respect for that: it’s called a permission slip, which had to be signed by the parent of every kid who went on the field trip to that museum. Any parent who is not aware that art museums house works depicting naked people has only themselves to blame. How about some Goddamn respect for personal responsibility?
[QUOTE=Rhubarb]
Given your location, I HOPE that was a whoosh [sub]Terry Schiavo[/sub].
FWIW, Frisco is a formerly small town on the outskirts of D/FW which has only recently been subject to a massive infection of suburban-itis. It has gone from a small farming/ranching community to a major suburb with HUGE shopping malls (the areas only Ikea is there), toll roads, a minor league baseball stadium, and multi-million dollar homes in a fairly short time frame. Frisco has growing pains.
Also, there are some astonishingly puritannical minded people in the area. Think Southern Baptist and then cube that. However, that’s true for any area. It’s a spectrum ya know.
What I find surprising and disheartening about this isn’t the parents who find that the sight of an unclothed human body is shameful because it’s not covered with fur or something, it’s that the teacher was suspended for not believing that. Either the school board and the principal are spineless cowards for caving to a single child’s parents, or they already had an axe to grind with this teacher and this just gave them enough ammo to do what they wanted to do anyway.
Also FWIW, concerning the claims of Texas being filled with small minded reactionaries, in the Friday Dallas Morning News there were several letters to the editor published on this subject. Not a single one of them felt that this teacher did anything wrong, or should be subjected to any discipline.
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Well, I admit to Chefguy that Florida should be burned before Texas and Kansas are put to the torch. As to Texas, I don’t care what size the city is, the politicians and most of the otherwise appointed public officials (school teachers, etc., etc.) seem to exhibit what you refer to as Southern Baptist^3. I grew up in Dallas County and remember it well. I’ve said before, there are many great and wonderful people in Texas but the place still produces some of the most reactionary individuals who ever used oxygen the rest of us might someday need. I am not the least bit surprised by what is happening to the teacher in question, in spite of the arrant stupidity exhibited by her persecutors.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
None? Surely at least some can attend with parents or by themselves when they are older.
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nope…its part of a childs education that the school district is supposed to provide. If a parent wants to home school their child, then they can and they can take them or not. If they are a raving moron and think that a public art museum is a bad influence then home school is a good option. but to drage all the other working parents kids down with them…people who may not be able to be off work to do so just so we can cater to the morons of the district is not a good idea for our society…its why Texas is fast becoming a national embarrasment.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Everyone’s morals are different. I don’t think that is appropriate for fifth graders to look at. This constant pushing of acceptable boundaries of nudity and sexuality by the hip and cool toward young minor children is something that makes me not feel so bad when something tame inflames the shit out of some parent and a head rolls. It seems that folks just have to keep pushing the envelope here. How about some Goddamn respect for letting individual parents decide?
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But WHY is it inappropriate? You haven’t explained that. It doesn’t sound particularly sexual in context.
[QUOTE=bdgr]
nope…its part of a childs education that the school district is supposed to provide. If a parent wants to home school their child, then they can and they can take them or not. If they are a raving moron and think that a public art museum is a bad influence then home school is a good option. but to drage all the other working parents kids down with them…people who may not be able to be off work to do so just so we can cater to the morons of the district is not a good idea for our society…its why Texas is fast becoming a national embarrasment.
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We are talking about a fifth grade field trip. Art is usually neglected along with history and social studies. This is Texas. It’s football. Then its passing state tests (which aren’t art heavy). And getting the upwardly mobile into college. Art is pretty far down on the list. That’s a fucking reality, fortunately or unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
We are talking about a fifth grade field trip. Art is usually neglected along with history and social studies. This is Texas. It’s football. Then its passing state tests (which aren’t art heavy). And getting the upwardly mobile into college. Art is pretty far down on the list. That’s a fucking reality, fortunately or unfortunately.
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And, as has been pointed out already, the Texas education system is the most fucked up in the entire nation. If art weren’t neglected in favor of football and state tests, maybe that would change. Sure as hell won’t ever happen as long as we’ve got people like you around, though.
[QUOTE=bdgr]
Thats a horrible thing to say
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You or me, man. You or me.
And let me say, when I think of great collections of art, Artesia does not exactly come to mind.
To point out how loopy he’s being, I really like the Freer-Sackler galleries, the Freer especially. I don’t really care for the American art, but the other stuff I really like. It’s been a couple years since I was last in the Freer but I’m sure there are at least a few nudes in most of the collections. However, I don’t remember any in the Japanese collection, though I wouldn’t be surprised that I’m wrong. However, let’s assume that I’m right. So, let’s say a school group goes to look at the Japanese collection. Now, remember, it’s a museum, so it’s easy enough to wander into other sections. Someone sees this statue (and it took me quite a while scanning the galleries to find this.) And, if I’m remembering correctly, the South Asian art is right next to the Japanese art (but I can’t find a map.) Anyway, now no child should be allowed to go see the Japanese part of the Freer-Sackler gallery.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
What is wrong with a picture of a “cunt”? Again, since you haven’t seen the picture in question, what is bad about it?
Why is a woman’s anatomy a shameful thing?
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You probably can’t even link to it from here without a warning if not actually click disabled so that adults won’t get into trouble at their workplace. I am genuinely curious as to what it looks like. I can’t imagine a pussy picture intending to be art being appropriate in a public school setting with 10 year olds of both sexes.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Really? Who has more mental and social problems? Children grossly exposed to sexuality (as opposed to walking in once or something like that) or ones that have seen a bullfight? Clearly, it’s the over sexualized children. I don’t think that anyone has made a connection between this old art form and any abnormal behaviour.<snip>
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Grossly exposed? The hell? They saw a few nudes while in an art museum.
However, as movies show, Americans have no problem with violence, but sexuality is bad! Bad and evil!
So, UB what do you think of Europe? They have nudes out in public! gasp
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
We are talking about a fifth grade field trip. Art is usually neglected along with history and social studies. This is Texas. It’s football. Then its passing state tests (which aren’t art heavy). And getting the upwardly mobile into college. Art is pretty far down on the list. That’s a fucking reality, fortunately or unfortunately.
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Its a fucking reality because people pander to idiots like those who complain. I bet that the majority of people in frisco have no problem with the dallas museum of art…and if they would grow a pair and stand up to the school board then things would improve.
