# The Most Indecipherable Dopers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 9, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470 "2017-06-09T01:22:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/21 "2017-06-09T07:59:45Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. Gigobuster. I was torn as to whether I should include Gigo in this list because I really like him and agree with most of what he says. When I know what the fuck he’s saying. Which is just about never. It is obvious to me that English is not his native tongue. So for that I applaud him. It doesn’t change the fact that I never know what he’s saying. the only thing that’s really ever annoyed me about him is that he seems to think “insults are _allowed_ in The Pit” means “insults are _mandatory_ in The Pit.” ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/22 "2017-06-09T08:29:10Z")
Y oac zatmj du jmkqnc. :mad: m = e ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/23 "2017-06-09T10:33:32Z")
Yeah, I came in to name Dropzone, but I see he outed himself. Colour me amazed he wasn’t on the first list. Way too much laboured cleverness, which never reaches it’s mark. He blames booze a lot, but I’m not entirely convinced. Where I used to be curious, "I wonder what the hell that’s supposed to mean?’ Now I just pass over it as just more of the same! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/24 "2017-06-09T11:31:07Z")
I agree with the first two, and the order is correct. **Watchwolf** is (to me) actually the more annoying because of his propensity to get facts wrong and/or to be grossly illogical, but you can’t beat **Leo Bloom** for sheer incomprehensibility. There is no reason to have **GIGObuster** on that list. **GIGO** ’s posts are not just comprehensible, they’re invariably well researched and well cited. That the writing style is that of someone whose first language is not English is an unremarkable fact that does not warrant ridicule, and if you think it does I’m afraid that reflects more on you than on **GIGO**. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/25 "2017-06-09T11:37:37Z")
Mostly my issue with **GIGO** is the habit of using commas instead of periods, you end up with long disjunct sentences that would be more understandable if separated, this is something that is so fundamentally simple and yet when it isn’t done it’s really annoying, that said, for someone whose first language isn’t English this is a relatively minor quibble. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/26 "2017-06-09T12:17:01Z")
I’ve told **elucidator** he is the opposite of his username. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/27 "2017-06-09T12:49:41Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > **Gigobuster**. I was torn as to whether I should include **Gigo** in this list because I really like him and agree with most of what he says. _When_ I know what the fuck he’s saying. Which is just about never. It is obvious to me that English is not his native tongue. So for that I applaud him. It doesn’t change the fact that I never know what he’s saying. Calvin Coolidge came home from church. His daughter asked him what the sermon was about. He replied, “Sin.” His daughter asked, “What did he say?” Cal replied “He was against it.” Likewise with **GIGOBuster**. It’s always about global warming, and he’s against it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/28 "2017-06-09T13:03:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Calvin Coolidge came home from church. His daughter asked him what the sermon was about. He replied, “Sin.” His daughter asked, “What did he say?” Cal replied “He was against it.” > > Likewise with **GIGOBuster**. It’s always about global warming, and he’s against it. And yet there’s always someone popping up here to argue the opposite position. Frankly I’m amazed **GIGO** has the fortitude to keep debunking the deniers’ idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/29 "2017-06-09T14:01:01Z")
I can’t believe watchwolf isn’t #1. . . His prose and arguments are incomprehensible already. . . but his habit of ending _every single thought_ with ellipses . . . takes the cake. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/30 "2017-06-09T14:07:29Z")
I’m going to nominate whoever it was who came up with **"14 K of G in a F P D."** ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/31 "2017-06-09T14:22:24Z")
**Gigobuster** is helpful in that he has a library of links to activist opinion pieces, so if you don’t understand his argument, he usually throws one in that comes close. Of course if you make an argument that hasn’t been addressed by the left wing activist-o-sphere, you will still be hounded by the links to pieces that offer non-sequiter rebuttals to the standard right wing talking points. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/32 "2017-06-09T14:24:24Z")
> [@The pi lie (or quantum uncertainty)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pi-lie-or-quantum-uncertainty/142323/1): > > \*\*The pi lie (or quantum uncertainty) > \*\* > What is up with this bizarre constant which cannot be expressed in a finite series completely with operators (as of yet anyhow)? > > I’m referring to pi: This constant of the circle measuraments; the constant of angular measurements within the context of an abstracted circular shape (or rather any closed one sided shape). > > There’s a funny thing about this pi: > > For any given circle drawn, the number of circumfrances solvable within the line used to represent that circle are infinite. > > This can be proven. How are we so sure we’ve determined a constant from a set of infinite variation for each expression? That seems a bit presumptious, doesn’t it? > > How much more inductive can one get? It’s like standing on a pile of infinitely stacked needles and only selecting one needle at a time to prove that every needle in the stack is exactly the same, when we already know that the stack is infinite! We haven’t found anything to compare pi to; to translate it against, to set it apart from anything else. > > If pi could only be compared against something esle, but it can’t; we already know that it only works when the circle isn’t there. > That’s not very rigorous logic! It’s no better or different than “the god of the gaps” - the bane of rational deduction. Yet we continue to use it, to teach it, to mark the intelligence of other individuals by ‘correctly’ answering a question on a test which disproves itself. Are we trying to create stupid people? > > If the stack is known to be infinite, and the combinations of operators to discern this is hypothesized as potentially infinite; then why does pi work? Is the entire symbol irrational? Why do we bother with this symbol? Because it works? That’s not very satisfactory; all kinds of irrational things end up working because they confuse people about motive and intent. We as humans seem to be in a process of rationalizing everything so that we can communicate a purpose to be. Yet instead of pi being an open question for every student, it is taught as a closed asnwer; where students are graded upon their ability to force themselves into ‘buying it’. > > Is it possible that students who fail a geometry or trig or calculus exam are brighter than those who ace it? By drawing the circle, are we making our students dumb in the sense that an observer effects the outcome of a photon no matter their best intention? > > I suggest that we are. So, why continue to teach pi? > > -Justhink Dictated but not read. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/33 "2017-06-09T14:27:45Z")
I like the fact that **Leo** ’s difficult to parse posts are usually well worth trying to figure out. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/34 "2017-06-09T14:42:03Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’ve never had any problem understanding GIGO. Similarly, I never found kanic hard to understand… Just _weird_. > [@wolfpup](#): > > I agree with the first two, and the order is correct. **Watchwolf** is (to me) actually the more annoying because of his propensity to get facts wrong and/or to be grossly illogical, but you can’t beat **Leo Bloom** for sheer incomprehensibility. > > There is no reason to have **GIGObuster** on that list. **GIGO** ’s posts are not just comprehensible, they’re invariably well researched and well cited. That the writing style is that of someone whose first language is not English is an unremarkable fact that does not warrant ridicule, and if you think it does I’m afraid that reflects more on you than on **GIGO**. 🙂 Well thanks for that guys, that makes my day. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Mostly my issue with **GIGO** is the habit of using commas instead of periods, you end up with long disjunct sentences that would be more understandable if separated, this is something that is so fundamentally simple and yet when it isn’t done it’s really annoying, that said, for someone whose first language isn’t English this is a relatively minor quibble. Of course, back to reality… 🙂 I hope you do not want me to become like **Watchwolf49** … But believe me when I tell you that I do appreciate that criticism. It is a bad habit that I make an effort to control. But I have to acknowledge that it crops up still; although it is mostly because I’m in a hurry or coffee has not kicked in. > [@Shodan](#): > > Calvin Coolidge came home from church. His daughter asked him what the sermon was about. He replied, “Sin.” His daughter asked, “What did he say?” Cal replied “He was against it.” > > Likewise with **GIGOBuster**. It’s always about global warming, and he’s against it. > > Regards, > Shodan What? Do \*\*you \*\*want be like \*\*Watchwolf49 \*\*? He was/is the Igor to one of the biggest climate change deniers and as usual for deniers that banned poster was a crank magnet. I did take FXMastermind to task for his virulent stupid hatred of Nuclear power, Mercury in dental fillings, and other stupid beliefs. I point that out because claiming that I’m always about global warming is just being ridiculous. So, thank god for you showing all what you are… :p. What is happening is that I’m always there when an opponent is not only wrong in my opinion, but when he/she is also wrong in the opinion of the experts out there. I bust not just ignorance about global warming. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20137402&postcount=321](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20137402&postcount=321) [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11347612&postcount=37](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11347612&postcount=37) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/35 "2017-06-09T14:55:51Z")
There are some posters for whom English apparently isn’t their first language who Capitalize Words inside of their sentences in seemingly Nearly Random ways. Not exactly undecipherable, but it Looks like they Learned English from a Style Manual written in the Fifteenth Century, and it is Quite Distracting, at Least for Me. ([Example](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=14205891).) ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/36 "2017-06-09T15:03:27Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > There are some posters for whom English apparently isn’t their first language who Capitalize Words inside of their sentences in seemingly Nearly Random ways. Not exactly undecipherable, but it Looks like they Learned English from a Style Manual written in the Fifteenth Century, and it is Quite Distracting, at Least for Me. ([Example](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=14205891).) My speech to text Android regularly does this. I sometimes correct the errors but I have been known to skip them, too. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/37 "2017-06-09T15:06:33Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > There is no reason to have **GIGObuster** on that list. **GIGO** ’s posts are not just comprehensible, they’re invariably well researched and well cited. That the writing style is that of someone whose first language is not English is an unremarkable fact that does not warrant ridicule, and if you think it does I’m afraid that reflects more on you than on **GIGO**. You can spot his posts just by the format. Has anyone figured out where he stands on the issue of Climate Change? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/38 "2017-06-09T15:21:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > What? Do \*\*you \*\*want be like \*\*Watchwolf49 \*\*? He was/is the Igor to one of the biggest climate change deniers and as usual for deniers that banned poster was a crank magnet. I did take FXMastermind to task for his virulent stupid hatred of Nuclear power, Mercury in dental fillings, and other stupid beliefs. > > I point that out because claiming that I’m always about global warming is just being ridiculous. So, thank god for you showing all what you are… :p. What is happening is that I’m always there when an opponent is not only wrong in my opinion, but when he/she is also wrong in the opinion of the experts out there. I bust not just ignorance about global warming. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20137402&postcount=321](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20137402&postcount=321) > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11347612&postcount=37](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11347612&postcount=37) Thanks for the links, but I did a [quick search](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=14205938) of your posts. I’m sure we will all be astounded to see that the large majority were about the Paris accords, why Trump is bad (for pulling out of the Paris accords), did the Paris accords disadvantage the US, and so on. Look, we get it. You have the hammer, and everything sure looks like a nail. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/39 "2017-06-09T15:26:45Z")
I know little of this \*\*Gigobuster \*\*but has anyone read any **Count Blucher**? I think if we put his posts with **dropzone** ’s posts, randomly, they might make a coherent conversation. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/40 "2017-06-09T15:48:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You can spot his posts just by the format. Has anyone figured out where he stands on the issue of Climate Change? 🙂 As others pointed out, there would not be much of a need to counter that bit of ignorance, but there are many that fall for misinformation nowadays. As I have more experience with history and social sciences the meta point here is that a lot of that ignorance I have to counter does come from the support that powerful interests are giving to climate change deniers out there. Support that goes all the way to the level of helping with untold millions to their election to congress too. It is no wonder why an item that is comparable to the denial of evolution (that I have also defended many times in the SDMB) is being push up constantly. Such attacks on education are so prevalent these days [that groups that before defended educators against the opponents of evolution had to add the defense of the teaching of climate change to their mission; because many of the deniers out there are the same as the deniers of evolution or they employ the same tactics as creationist and IDs use.](https://ncse.com/for-reporters) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470.md?page=3)