# The Most Indecipherable Dopers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 9, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470 "2017-06-09T01:22:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/121 "2017-06-13T20:08:47Z")
In my line of work, we call what Dunmurray was doing, “pressured speech”. It’s not usually a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/122 "2017-06-13T20:24:34Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Jeez people, he did everything but announce “I’m placing my tongue into my cheek now.” Yeah. That’s why I gave him a :dubious:. An ISWYDT, if you will. The skeptical eye, watching. I admire his writing. It might lend itself more towards long form media versus a thread post, but I suspect he was nominated for his blog re-posts, so that is understandable. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/123 "2017-06-13T20:40:59Z")
Hard to believe that Gigo would make such a list. I think that XT guy is pretty indecipherable, especially when he does his drunk poster bit. But I’d nominate Weisshund as one that, most of the time I can’t figure out what he’s getting at. I’ve noticed that Machinaforce can be pretty indecipherable as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/124 "2017-06-13T21:00:16Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Hard to believe that Gigo would make such a list. Yeah I copped to it being a mistake. TBH, I _can_ usually always follow Gigo’s posts, despite a bit of, at times, awkward language. It doesn’t impede understanding however. In hindsight I would have put **Dropzone** or **usedtobe** in that spot. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/125 "2017-06-13T21:19:38Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Yeah I copped to it being a mistake. TBH, I _can_ usually always follow Gigo’s posts, despite a bit of, at times, awkward language. It doesn’t impede understanding however. In hindsight I would have put **Dropzone** or **usedtobe** in that spot. Ah, sorry…I didn’t see the follow on posts, just the OP. I’d definitely put usedtobe on the list, and Dropzone mainly because he’d probably love being on such a list. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/126 "2017-06-13T23:37:39Z")
I am amazed that I’m making post #126 and no one has yet mentioned the fine work of **Isilder**. For awhile I thought he was European and I gave him a lot of slack for ESL and a different cultural baseline and all the rest. The fact he usually posts in the wee hours US time further supported my assumption. Eventually somewhere he said something that convinced me he was definitely a native-born US 'Merkin. At which point understanding him got even harder. It’s an off-kilter explanation of a lot of off-kilter POVs. Frankly I’d rather deal with **Leo**. Eventually we can piece together what he’s trying to say. And it’s much more likely to be worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/127 "2017-06-14T06:32:51Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > No, it’s not like that at all, actually. That is to say, _pride_ would convey a sense of active enthusiasm for the writing style in and of itself. Note that you’ve attached the notion of deliberately ensuring needless complexity to the writing style itself. I want to make a difficult but important distinction here, between offering as an object of ridicule the notion that a writing style can deliberately do anything, on the one hand, and holding up the notion that in some sense (anthropomorphized a bit though it may in fact be) the writing style does deliberately embrace complexity, on the other, and ally myself with the latter. That is to say, I disavow any intention at this point of deflecting your claim with the cheap easy shot of ridicule and I am in fact suggesting we give it thoughtful consideration. > > Robert Pirsig, late in _Zen_, eventually replies to the pointed question from the Philosophy Department’s head, to wit, “So is quality inherent in the object that possesses it or is quality merely what you like?”; his eponymous main character feels thwarted for awhile before dropping his metaphorical pen-point down in midsentence and asking, “What purpose is served within that sentence by the word ‘merely’?”, which begins his dissection of the phony opposition of objectivity and subjectivity – as those of you who’ve read it will recall. I’m going to attempt a similar thing in bringing your focus to the word “needlessly” in your own sentence. > > I do have a fondness for fine differentials in precise meaning right at the point of their divergence, and I will confess to a fondness for a rhetorical approach that indicates that point of divergence and only later on, in subsequent paragraphs, puts on display the larger and hence genuinely significant of that fork. Since proceeding in this fashion allows me to work with a verbal dissecting knife to perform a precision disentanglement of normally-conflated concepts, and the latter is the territory in which I quite often find myself operating, I will herewith confess to the pride of which you speak but at the same time shall defend it against the charge of lacking sufficient necessity. Olive you. Blather on all you like. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/128 "2017-06-14T07:10:52Z")
I didn’t make it to Blather Prince, even? I need to work on my delivery. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/129 "2017-06-14T07:33:34Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I am amazed that I’m making post #126 and no one has yet mentioned the fine work of **Isilder**. Equal parts non-sequitur, factual error, and incomprehensibility - but all with an air of supercilious confidence. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/130 "2017-06-14T17:44:53Z")
Now children, do not attribute your lack of understanding to the text. I am still proud of my stream-of-consciousness thread about my first life-threatening event of the year. Otherwise, I am the son of the “English teacher from Hell” mother… ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/131 "2017-06-15T01:36:01Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Equal parts non-sequitur, factual error, and incomprehensibility - but all with an air of supercilious confidence. As so often, we agree. But your version is much pithier & punchier than mine. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/132 "2017-06-15T02:39:44Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Ah, sorry…I didn’t see the follow on posts, just the OP. I’d definitely put usedtobe on the list, and Dropzone mainly because he’d probably love being on such a list. 😛 I will admit to being disappointed it took so long for my name to show up. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/133 "2017-06-15T02:54:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I agree with you about the first statement, and far as the sig goes you might want to rewrite it to avoid confusion-something like “ **Octopus** -Eat shit, asshole”, just to clarify that everyone is saying it to you. Mr C, I think I owe you beers. Tall-Boys, and not the cheap shit. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/134 "2017-06-15T04:28:39Z")
What about that recent guy, who streaked across the Doper sky like a stinky brown meteor! ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/135 "2017-06-15T04:50:06Z")
He was coherent, just vacuous and one-note. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/136 "2017-06-15T12:34:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What about that recent guy, who streaked across the Doper sky like a stinky brown meteor! You really need to be more specific. We get lots of those. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/137 "2017-06-15T12:38:04Z")
You know, that guy who made some edgier than Bismuth posts. Join date June 2017. Certainly that rings a bell? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/138 "2017-06-15T12:43:57Z")
Oh, that one! ETA:. Dozen? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/139 "2017-06-15T16:22:33Z")
I have to give props to **DarwinsStepChildren** who today created the most impressive [wall of text](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20279540#post20279540) (or as **Darren Garrison** called it, obelisk of text) ever. I’m too intimidated to read enough to even determine how intelligible it is. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470/140 "2017-06-16T06:25:27Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > I will herewith confess to the pride of which you speak but at the same time shall defend it against the charge of lacking sufficient necessity. Sure. There is a trade off between self proclaimed eloquence and accessibility. I had, at one point, taken your writing at face value, that you wanted people to understand you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-indecipherable-dopers/788470.md?page=8)