# The Mueller report. The week after its released

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")\
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**Author:** ![Ancient\_Erudite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ancient\_Erudite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Erudite)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/1 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")

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The Mueller report. The week after its released.

Pick the choice that best represents what you think will happen.

1 ) Trump is not charged with any crime, and Mueller’s report is found to have some procedural issues.

2 ) Trump is not charged with any crime, Mueller’s report offers disclosure showing it was fairly conducted.  
3 ) Trump is charged with a crime, but the evidence presented is flimsy and circumstantial and will be quickly dismissed by his legal team.

4 ) Mueller has hard evidence on collusion, including emails, and recordings. Trump gets a subpoena.

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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/2 "2019-01-31T00:28:19Z")

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Many, many crimes are exposed with hard evidence. Many before he was President. Many while in office. The spineless Senate refuses to impeach and askes “What about Hillary?”

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**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/3 "2019-01-31T00:33:20Z")

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None of the above. Mueller follows the DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president. He gives report to Congress to decide whether or not to impeach.

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**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/4 "2019-01-31T00:38:38Z")

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3 is not happening. Mueller won’t file charges based on anything less than ironclad evidence, and even then he might choose to leave it up to the Senate rather than the criminal justice system. I think Mueller is highly competent, so 1 is unlikely.

It’ll be either 2 or 4, probably 2 but there’s a really wide range of possible outcomes there. Option 2 would cover everything from “no serious wrongdoing on the part of anyone associated with Trump” to “multiple Trump family members and close associates are charged with conspiring with Russia to fix the election, and massive circumstantial evidence suggests that they did so at Trump’s direction”. Those two outcomes would have massively different political implications.

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**Author:** ![Ancient\_Erudite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ancient\_Erudite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Erudite)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/5 "2019-01-31T01:04:30Z")

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Wow, I know this board learns to the left, but the choice of #4 is a long shot. People are going to be upset here.

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/6 "2019-01-31T01:08:16Z")

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No, we’re not.

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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/7 "2019-01-31T01:10:04Z")

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> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#):
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> Wow, I know this board learns to the left, but the choice of #4 is a long shot. People are going to be upset here.

8 convictions, and 30 indictments connected to Trump. And he’s sitting on top of this Jenga Tower.

So far. That’s just Mueller. Now the States can’t touch him until he’s out of office, but they are waiting.

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/8 "2019-01-31T01:33:29Z")

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> [@Folly](#):
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> None of the above. Mueller follows the DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president. He gives report to Congress to decide whether or not to impeach.

This. Oh, I HOPE there is enough hard evidence to convict him, but even if there is, what happens in the first stage is the report is given to Congress, and impeachment proceedings, um, proceed. Hopefully, after he’s impeached THEN he gets sent up the river to spend some quality time in prison.

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/9 "2019-01-31T01:35:40Z")

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> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#):
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> Wow, I know this board learns to the left, but the choice of #4 is a long shot. People are going to be upset here.

I don’t think so. Honestly, the evidence is mounting and I’m feeling the same sort of death spiral we saw with Nixon as more of Trump’s circle gets picked off and sent to trial. Eventually, it will be like Jinga….someone will grasp the right block and the whole thing will come tumbling down. I don’t think this is a long shot at all…I think it’s 50/50 at this point. At least. YMMV of course.

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**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/10 "2019-01-31T01:53:01Z")

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> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#):
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> Wow, I know this board learns to the left, but the choice of #4 is a long shot. People are going to be upset here.

Leans, might be a bit of an understatement.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/11 "2019-01-31T01:56:22Z")

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> [@Littleman](#):
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> Leans, might be a bit of an understatement.

Tilts?

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/12 "2019-01-31T01:57:27Z")

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> Quoth **enipla** :
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> So far. That’s just Mueller. Now the States can’t touch him until he’s out of office, but they are waiting.

I know of no legal theory under which the states are so constrained. Them actually going after him while he’s still President would be unprecedented… but then, so much else about this administration is also unprecedented.

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**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/13 "2019-01-31T02:14:24Z")

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There is zero chance of Trump being charged within a week of the report being released. He’ll go through impeachment first at a minimum no one has any incentive to charge him without impeachment.

Longer term I believe that Trump is too dumb to collude and that everyone around him will go to jail but they never told trump what they were doing either because they were afraid he would be too dumb to keep a secret or he isjust a figurehead who they treat like a mushroom.

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**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/14 "2019-01-31T02:53:47Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Tilts?

Lol, idk if I had to guess I’d say the boards run around 75 percent hardcore leftists.  
With another 10 solidly left and maybe 5 leaning left.

So idk lays maybe?

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/15 "2019-01-31T03:12:22Z")

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There will be plenty of evidence he’s a criminal, but he won’t be arrested or subpoenaed. That’s the job of Congress.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/16 "2019-01-31T03:22:13Z")

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> [@RickJay](#):
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> There will be plenty of evidence he’s a criminal, but he won’t be arrested or subpoenaed. That’s the job of Congress.

This, plus the criminality may not be directly related to collusion, but may be unrelated crimes uncovered during the course of the investigation, such as money laundering, or procedural crimes based on Trump’s actions during the investigation, such as obstruction or witness tempering.

None of the poll options fit any of the above, so I’ve left it uncompleted.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/17 "2019-01-31T03:23:31Z")

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> [@Littleman](#):
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> Lol, idk if I had to guess I’d say the boards run around 75 percent hardcore leftists.  
> With another 10 solidly left and maybe 5 leaning left.
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> So idk lays maybe?

Of course it’s heavily left. We’re here to fight ignorance.

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/18 "2019-01-31T03:24:39Z")

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> [@Littleman](#):
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> Lol, idk if I had to guess I’d say the boards run around 75 percent hardcore leftists.  
> With another 10 solidly left and maybe 5 leaning left.
> 
> So idk lays maybe?

I hate to break it to you, but it doesn’t require hard-core leftist political beliefs to recognize that our president is mentally-ill, a crook and, at the very least, sympathetic to our enemies.

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**Author:** ![sweepkick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweepkick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweepkick)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/19 "2019-01-31T05:13:25Z")

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> [@Littleman](#):
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> Lol, idk if I had to guess I’d say the boards run around 75 percent hardcore leftists.  
> With another 10 solidly left and maybe 5 leaning left.
> 
> So idk lays maybe?

As little as 10 years ago, many people who are now considered ‘hardcore leftists’ were considered centrists. The right has gone off the deep end, and their unrelenting and well-funded propaganda blitz demonizing anyone that doesn’t agree with their fantasy rhetoric has a very large number of critical-thinking-challenged Americans believing that these people are now ‘hardcore leftists’.

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/20 "2019-01-31T05:20:38Z")

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As the others have said, none of your options is correct.

Given that you have been active in the Mueller investigation threads, I would expect that you would already know that?

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