# The Mueller report. The week after its released **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/181 "2019-02-01T21:22:14Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > She hired a law firm to go through them and delete only the personal ones. > > You think wrong (the subpoena was only for Benghazi-related emails) That’s cool if I ever get subpoena for a let’s say lanlord tenant lawsuit , email I’ll remember to just have my lawyer delete it and then claim it was personal. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/182 "2019-02-01T21:23:31Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I think a first step for you, before “drawing comparisons,” would be to get an even slightly correct understanding of the facts. For example, you don’t seem to understand that certain “other politicians” didn’t actually commit the crimes you accuse them of. And you don’t seem to understand what crime Trump may have committed. That makes your attempt to “draw comparisons” not particularly helpful. True… That’s my mistake here At least one anyhow 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/183 "2019-02-01T21:31:50Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > That’s cool if I ever get subpoena for a let’s say lanlord tenant lawsuit , email I’ll remember to just have my lawyer delete it and then claim it was personal. No attorney in their right mind would do that. Not only would there be case related sanctions, the attorney would potentially open themselves to censure or disbarment, their law firm’s reputation would be trashed, and they would open themselves up to lawsuits for attorney malpractice. That’s why law firms are used for these type of things. That and it’s REALLY hard to completely obliterate all email traces. I did a post on this for Ancient Erudite a bit ago, let me see if I can dig it up. Ah, here it is: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21447568#post21447568](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21447568#post21447568) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/184 "2019-02-01T21:35:17Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > No attorney in their right mind would do that. I can think of one who would (and who used to work for Trump). But you’re right, legitimate lawyers like the ones Clinton hired wouldn’t do that ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/185 "2019-02-01T21:37:22Z")
That was an excellent post, and I think your conclusion is pretty much the same conclusion that the factcheck link that Littleman posted indicates: > [@Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/5572): > > The 33k emails, while I find it slightly off-putting that they were deleted, there is no overt indication that anything untoward happened. This is, of course, a far cry from Littleman’s characterization that Clinton “destroy[ed] evidence requested in an investigation, clearly obstruction.” ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/186 "2019-02-01T21:51:30Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > No attorney in their right mind would do that. Not only would there be case related sanctions, the attorney would potentially open themselves to censure or disbarment, their law firm’s reputation would be trashed, and they would open themselves up to lawsuits for attorney malpractice. That’s why law firms are used for these type of things. That and it’s REALLY hard to completely obliterate all email traces. I did a post on this for Ancient Erudite a bit ago, let me see if I can dig it up. Ah, here it is: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21447568#post21447568](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21447568#post21447568) It Is hard, but in this case the FBI either couldn’t recover them or simply declined to recover them. I think we’ve seen plenty of cases of lawyers who’ve done just such things. However I doubt I’ve got enough money or power to convince one. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/187 "2019-02-01T21:56:37Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > It Is hard, but in this case the FBI either couldn’t recover them or simply declined to recover them. Well, in the absence of evidence let’s just assume she committed a crime. How about…sex trafficking through a pizza shop basement? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/188 "2019-02-01T21:58:35Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > No attorney in their right mind would do that. Not only would there be case related sanctions, the attorney would potentially open themselves to censure or disbarment, their law firm’s reputation would be trashed, and they would open themselves up to lawsuits for attorney malpractice. That’s why law firms are used for these type of things. That and it’s REALLY hard to completely obliterate all email traces. I did a post on this for Ancient Erudite a bit ago, let me see if I can dig it up. Ah, here it is: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21447568#post21447568](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21447568#post21447568) Right, emails do not just exist on one party’s server. They would exist in the mailboxes of anyone that sent or received anything from her. All it would take would be one relevant email that was not included in the emails that were turned over to make the case. That, after umpteen investigations over a dog’s age, not a single email of that sort turned up should have shut down this line of accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/189 "2019-02-01T22:01:59Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > It Is hard, but in this case the FBI either couldn’t recover them or simply declined to recover them. > > I think we’ve seen plenty of cases of lawyers who’ve done just such things. > However I doubt I’ve got enough money or power to convince one. Since you seem to want to dwell on Hillary Clinton in threads that aren’t really about Hillary Clinton, have you ever considered starting your own thread about Hillary Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/190 "2019-02-01T22:07:35Z")
So clearly any Democrat is just gonna open a can of worms. Anybody that can think of a republican who was high level and investigated in recent times to draw a comparison to? Maybe one who got away and one who didn’t? Something that might help speculate the results here? Or is there no example that could contribute? Gotta be somebody worth drawing comparison with. Even at a little lower levels… I know this introduces flaw because we are probably not talking president or presidential candidate but at the same time it might introduce less media bias too. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/191 "2019-02-01T22:08:37Z")
“Drawing comparison” = Changing the subject. That’s pretty much what is going on here. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/192 "2019-02-01T22:12:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since you seem to want to dwell on Hillary Clinton in threads that aren’t really about Hillary Clinton, have you ever considered starting your own thread about Hillary Clinton? I don’t really care who it is. Anyone we can draw a comparison with? Even as a general relation to how these political investigations typically play out? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/193 "2019-02-01T22:14:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since you seem to want to dwell on Hillary Clinton in threads that aren’t really about Hillary Clinton, have you ever considered starting your own thread about Hillary Clinton? Given how long this Board has existed, he may even invite himself to peruse the many, many Hillary Clinton threads which already exist so he may have an idea as to our thoughts when she was… you know… relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/194 "2019-02-01T22:19:35Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > So clearly any Democrat is just gonna open a can of worms. What happened here wasn’t “opening a can of worms”. What happened here was “you making false claims and us correcting you”. You could have avoided this by restricting yourself to factually true statements. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/195 "2019-02-01T22:20:15Z")
_ **Oh my fucking god are we seriously doing “BUT HER EMAILS” again** _?! WHY?! It has been two cunt-gargling years since Hillary Clinton has been anything even _resembling_ relevant in national politics. Why is this a subject? Why is it even being brought up? Are we doing a “stupid conspiracy theories from two years ago” revival or some shit? The FBI investigated, opted not to prosecute (not even under the Trump administration, fancy that shit), it cost her the election, this was the most overplayed, overhyped non-fucking-story in history at the end of 2016, just let it die. Let’s react to the kind of people who still insist on bringing this shit up the way we react to the folks who are big on Vince Foster. “Wow, what is actually wrong with you?” ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/196 "2019-02-01T22:20:54Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > I don’t really care who it is. > Anyone we can draw a comparison with? Nixon. FYI, he stepped down to avoid impeachment and died in disgrace. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/197 "2019-02-01T22:21:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Drawing comparison” = Changing the subject. > > That’s pretty much what is going on here. Oh ok, well then your free to speculate without bothering with precedent. That makes it about exactly a 50/50 chance of any conclusion you wish. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/198 "2019-02-01T22:25:49Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Nixon. > > FYI, he stepped down to avoid impeachment and died in disgrace. Drawing that comparison was also a problem. I’d concluded based on that one that if Mueller comes up with anything short of a taped confession were probably looking at a loong played out argument of interpretation of the evidence. But everyone was like OMG Nixon… really . ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/199 "2019-02-01T22:28:37Z")
What’s the weather like in St. Petersburg, tovarisch? ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/200 "2019-02-01T22:36:33Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > What happened here wasn’t “opening a can of worms”. What happened here was “you making false claims and us correcting you”. You could have avoided this by restricting yourself to factually true statements. Some of that too since yeah some of the things i thought were true definitely arent. Some party bias too since every single bit of actual info was of course interpreted in democratic favor. I’d expect the same from a republican dominated forum though so… Should have known better there too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=11)