# The Mueller report. The week after its released **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/201 "2019-02-01T22:46:17Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > What’s the weather like in St. Petersburg, tovarisch? This is a warning for an accusation of trolling, or being a Russian troll. [I previously cautioned you against this type of thing here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20742706&postcount=20) Accusations of being a troll or trolling are not permitted in this forum. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/202 "2019-02-01T22:46:31Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Nixon. > > FYI, he stepped down to avoid impeachment and died in disgrace. Actually, he died in New Jersey, but close enough. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/203 "2019-02-01T22:46:43Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Some party bias too since every single bit of actual info was of course interpreted in democratic favor. Could you give an example of a thing which was 1) actually true, and 2) interpreted in Democratic favor? ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/204 "2019-02-01T22:58:10Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Could you give an example of a thing which was 1) actually true, and 2) interpreted in Democratic favor? Source of the dossier. I mean a campaign getting it’s info from russians is pretty easily interpreted as Russian election interference. On both sides. Republican side is more clear though. The last thing anyone ought to be doing during an election is unofficial non public business with a foreign nation with a stressed relationship to the US ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/205 "2019-02-02T05:08:16Z")
Christopher Steele is English. Not Russian. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/206 "2019-02-02T05:10:10Z")
I’d start [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier) and then come back to the thread with a better lay of the land. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/207 "2019-02-02T05:50:04Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Source of the dossier. > I mean a campaign getting it’s info from russians is pretty easily interpreted as Russian election interference. If I ask an Australian man what he thinks about Trump, was there Australian election interference? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/208 "2019-02-02T06:19:33Z")
Manafort is guilty, Flynn is guilty. If there is some legalistic nicety that says they don’t go to prison because the Steele dossier has grammatical errors…I don’t much care. Truth matters, punishment runs a distant second. Sitting President can’t be indicted? Still don’t care, want the truth, the whole truth, with the eight by ten color glossies with the arrows and notes… Just the facts, man. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/209 "2019-02-02T14:11:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Manafort is guilty, Flynn is guilty. If there is some legalistic nicety that says they don’t go to prison because the Steele dossier has grammatical errors…I don’t much care. Truth matters, punishment runs a distant second. Sitting President can’t be indicted? Still don’t care, want the truth, the whole truth, with the eight by ten color glossies with the arrows and notes… Just the facts, man. Unfortunately, good people are given the shovels and rakes to clean up the mess that the GOP has created. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/210 "2019-02-02T16:35:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Manafort is guilty, Flynn is guilty. If there is some legalistic nicety that says they don’t go to prison because the Steele dossier has grammatical errors…I don’t much care. Truth matters, punishment runs a distant second. Sitting President can’t be indicted? Still don’t care, want the truth, the whole truth, with the eight by ten color glossies with the arrows and notes… Just the facts, man. Bring that into the senate, and McConnell will enter the chambers and sit down with a seeing eye dog. Just a typical case of American blind senility. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/211 "2019-02-03T03:11:17Z")
“Trump is not charged with any crime, Mueller’s report offers disclosure showing it was fairly conducted.” With a caveat: Not charged with any collusion-related crime (conspiracy, etc.). However, he very well may be implicated in obstruction or some other crime that doesn’t involve “collusion”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/212 "2019-02-03T05:45:20Z")
To cover up a crime that didn’t happen? Yeah, I guess, things are weird enough that makes sense. Sorta. Kinda. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/213 "2019-02-03T06:16:46Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > To cover up a crime that didn’t happen? Yeah, I guess, things are weird enough that makes sense. Sorta. Kinda. It is indeed a little complicated, because you can do something that can be interpreted as obstruction without ever having been guilty of the original crime, just as you can be guilty of lying about something you weren’t guilty of doing. Just ask Scooter Libby. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/214 "2019-02-04T01:08:37Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > It is indeed a little complicated, because you can do something that can be interpreted as obstruction without ever having been guilty of the original crime, just as you can be guilty of lying about something you weren’t guilty of doing. Just ask Scooter Libby. Okay…one more time for the home audience?? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/215 "2019-02-04T04:27:23Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Okay…one more time for the home audience?? > Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk “No collusion…well, maybe ‘collusion’ with a little ‘c,’ just like Rudy said. Unless y’all are cool with it now.” ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2019, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/216 "2019-03-29T02:03:49Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I’d start [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier) and then come back to the thread with a better lay of the land. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > If I ask an Australian man what he thinks about Trump, was there Australian election interference? Depends, are you campaign staff, and asking him to be a go between to gather dirt from russians? Anyway, here we are, considering recent news ( no collusion, insufficient evidence for obstruction according to Mueller) I’ll call this " told ya" ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/217 "2019-03-29T02:26:31Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Actually, he died in New Jersey, but close enough. 🙂 Actually Nixon died in New York but I understand those states are very close to one another. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2019, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/218 "2019-03-29T03:26:00Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > There will be evidence of illegal financial actions by the president but no effort to indict him. There will be strong circumstantial evidence that he had motives for acting on behalf of Putin and took action in that direction, also members of his campaign will have been shown to have collaborated with the Russians. But there won’t be a smoking gun showing direct involvement of Quid-pro-quo. So anybody who is unbiased and has half a brain will see that he colluded with the Russians, but there will be enough of a fig leaf that Republicans will claim that he is a pure as driven snow. Well we’ll have to see (if we see) what the full report says, but so far it looks like I was about spot on. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2019, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/219 "2019-03-29T04:50:25Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Well we’ll have to see (if we see) what the full report says, but so far it looks like I was about spot on. I missed this thread, but would’ve said the same thing. I strongly suspect that most of what happened had to do with Trump’s fixation on getting a Trump tower in Moscow, and that–not expecting to win the election–he was just trying to leverage the campaign to further that end. That would explain all the lies and secrecy, and how he was careful to have a fig leaf. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2019, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/220 "2019-03-29T09:10:17Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Depends, are you campaign staff, and asking him to be a go between to gather dirt from russians? > > Anyway, here we are, considering recent news ( no collusion, insufficient evidence for obstruction according to Mueller) > > I’ll call this " told ya" The report hasn’t been released yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=12)