# The Mueller report. The week after its released **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/241 "2019-03-30T02:00:44Z")
> [@poweroftheglory](#): > > How many weeks until Democrats take responsibility for running a presidential campaign so poorly that they lost to a racist gameshow host? At the end of the day it will turn out that Trump is corrupt as hell (big surprise) but there is insufficient evidence to prove “collusion” with the dastardly Russians. Aw, you make it sound like the racism was a bug, not a feature. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/242 "2019-03-30T02:01:56Z")
> [@poweroftheglory](#): > > How many weeks until Democrats take responsibility for running a presidential campaign so poorly that they lost to a racist gameshow host? Dunno. How long is it going to be before Republicans take responsibility for _electing_ and continuing to support said game show host, despite every warning sign before the election and afterwards? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/243 "2019-03-30T14:20:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s remarkable how so many people aren’t assuming that a political document written by a political appointee for political purposes might have some political spin within it. Are you taking about the Mueller report? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/244 "2019-03-30T14:26:16Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Are you taking about the Mueller report? Considering Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein, who was in turn appointed by Trump, I’d say that’s not who **iiandyii** is talking about. Please do try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/245 "2019-03-30T15:54:07Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Dunno. How long is it going to be before Republicans take responsibility for _electing_ and continuing to support said game show host, despite every warning sign before the election and afterwards? No kidding. Why is there this assumption that Democrats are responsible for the decisions Republicans make? Republican voters aren’t mindless drones that need to be steered by Democrats, their folly is their own responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/246 "2019-03-30T16:07:16Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I hate to break it to you, but it doesn’t require hard-core leftist political beliefs to recognize that our president is mentally-ill, a crook and, at the very least, sympathetic to our enemies. Thank you! Thank you 1000x for this! (I would add: a narcissist, a bully, a con man, a cheat, a coward, a pathological LIAR, an ignoramus, a BSer of the highest degree, and an all-around horrible human being who possesses not even ONE iota of class, tact, morals, ethics, scruples, decorum, or decency) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/247 "2019-03-30T17:33:12Z")
You’re just saying that because Hillary lost; get over it. Republicans deal with Trump’s impressive collection of flaws by declaring they don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/248 "2019-04-01T09:04:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > IMHO, the Republicans jumped WAY TOO SOON on the “complete exoneration” claim and are realizing that they have made a colossal blunder of epic… almost Trumpian… proportions. It’s pretty obvious that word is getting out that even the stuff that won’t be redacted is pretty fucking bad. I think it’s deliberate. The Republicans are holding back the real report while they saturate the media and social media with their fake narrative. By the time the real report comes out, Trump’s supporters will be so wedded to the fake narrative they prefer that they’ll dismiss the real report as fake. The “walkback” is purely for plausible deniability. Now that their fake narrative is out, they can claim that what they said didn’t really contradict the real one because they can point to the walkback as what they had really meant in the first place, while simultaneously continuing to throw red meat to their followers. It’s brilliant, Machiavellian, and really fucking evil. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/249 "2019-04-01T10:13:56Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Considering Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein, who was in turn appointed by Trump, I’d say that’s not who **iiandyii** is talking about. Please do try to keep up. What’s your point? Mueller was a political appointee appointed for a political purpose and he turned in a political document. We are to take his word as gospel though. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/250 "2019-04-01T10:17:23Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > What’s your point? Mueller was a political appointee appointed for a political purpose and he turned in a political document. > > We are to take his word as gospel though. I certainly take Mueller’s report as “gospel” with regards to what is actually in Mueller’s report. I find it remarkable that someone as distrustful of government as you is so eager to accept Barr’s letter as a true, accurate, and complete representation of Mueller’s report. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/251 "2019-04-01T10:20:37Z")
I take the NYT line, bud. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/252 "2019-04-01T10:24:09Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I take the NYT line, bud. I’m unaware that the NYT has seen the Mueller report. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/253 "2019-04-01T10:26:01Z")
They didn’t see the JFK assassination either. Believe it or not, they do this thing called journalism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/255 "2019-04-01T11:33:36Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > They didn’t see the JFK assassination either. Believe it or not, they do this thing called journalism. As far as I can tell by actually reading the article, the NYT summarized the Barr letter and included some language that presumed that the Barr letter was a true, accurate, and relatively complete summary of the Mueller report. Since the Mueller report is not publicly available, I see no reason to presume that this is true of the Barr letter. YMMV, but I won’t be making (or accepting as “gospel”) any claims or conclusions about the content of the Mueller report unless and until the Mueller report is actually publicly available. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/256 "2019-04-01T14:17:47Z")
The poll at the top of this thread serves as a useful reminder of just how far off the SDMB’s predictions can be. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/257 "2019-04-01T14:24:32Z")
Just another reminder that the Mueller report hasn’t actually been released, and thus this poll doesn’t yet apply. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/258 "2019-04-01T14:29:23Z")
Ditka, quote for me four random sentences from pages 57-63 of the Mueller report. We’ll wait. Can’t? Really? Why? ‘The Mueller report hasn’t been released’, you say? Then the conditions needed to settle the poll has yet to be attained, itsm. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/259 "2019-04-01T14:50:45Z")
The last option of the poll doesn’t seem plausible given the mainstream press coverage of the report so far. There will some lost-causers who will doubt this, but if Mueller has “hard evidence” as described, it would be a total abortion of standards by the NYT. The report will probably contain a few shreds of intentional inference and highly stylized narratives, similar to the indictments, but it will fall well short of “hard evidence”. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/260 "2019-04-01T14:54:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As far as I can tell by actually reading the article, the NYT summarized the Barr letter and included some language that presumed that the Barr letter was a true, accurate, and relatively complete summary of the Mueller report. Since the Mueller report is not publicly available, I see no reason to presume that this is true of the Barr letter. > > YMMV, but I won’t be making (or accepting as “gospel”) any claims or conclusions about the content of the Mueller report unless and until the Mueller report is actually publicly available. But you will accept the report itself as gospel? IOW you will pay deference to Mueller’s narratives even though they will be accompanied by no evidence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/261 "2019-04-01T14:55:43Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > But you will accept the report itself as gospel? I will accept it as “gospel” in terms of what the Mueller report says. The Mueller report is the gospel about the contents of the Mueller report. > [@](#): > > IOW you will pay deference to Mueller’s narratives even though they will be accompanied by no evidence. More fake mind reading! You’re wrong, of course, as you almost always are in your attempts at mind reading, but it’s still funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=14)