# The Mueller report. The week after its released **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/101 "2019-01-31T21:34:45Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Well let’s see Russian spies(foreign power) gather info or rumours that they then sell to Steele… > [Why doesn’t Hillary’s ‘dossier’ trick count as treason?](https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/10/25/why-doesnt-hillarys-dossier-trick-count-as-treason/amp/) That was an extremely badly written article which seemed to consist entirely of unsubstantiated–and in several cases entirely false–allegations. Though, I can see why if you used articles like that as your news source, why you would think that the dossier was the work of “a foreign power”. I do note that the article was marked “Opinion”, which I suppose allows the “paper” to excuse the multiple lies it contained. I would strongly suggest finding a more reliable source of news. And also, not spreading lies published as “opinion” as facts, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/102 "2019-01-31T21:35:37Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > Impeachment is far fetched unless something significant comes up that has Watergate-like proof. Let’s say audio and visual evidence. Or email evidence. There is no such thing here. Unless you’ve got an inside line that is just an unfounded opinion on your part, so I think I’ll just wait to see the actual report…if you don’t mind? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/103 "2019-01-31T21:55:45Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Nah, impeachment is just a first action for moderates😂 > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Anyone remember that one time Trump fired the head of the FBI because he didn’t like that the head of the FBI was investigating potential criminal activity by his campaign? And then the special council called to investigate afterwards found a criminal coverup that implicated 6 of Trump’s inner circle? And the Trump publicly told his justice department to go after a family member of one of those people after they flipped on him, and that person delayed their testimony as a result? > > I feel like we need to keep reminding people of this, because Trump supporters seem to _keep forgetting_. You are aware that things like witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and the like are federal crimes, right? Honestly, even if it turns out that absolutely none of the Trump-Russia collusion threads go anywhere (not likely, but okay), there is plenty of evidence of Trump doing some real fuckin’ criminal shit. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/104 "2019-01-31T22:02:45Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I would strongly suggest finding a more reliable source of news… As the Right Rev. Chuck D so aptly said, “Forty cents in New York City, fifty cents elsewhere, and makes no goddamned sense at all. America’s oldest continually published daily piece of bullshit.” ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/105 "2019-01-31T22:25:09Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > That was an extremely badly written article which seemed to consist entirely of unsubstantiated–and in several cases entirely false–allegations. Though, I can see why if you used articles like that as your news source, why you would think that the dossier was the work of “a foreign power”. > > I do note that the article was marked “Opinion”, which I suppose allows the “paper” to excuse the multiple lies it contained. > > I would strongly suggest finding a more reliable source of news. And also, not spreading lies published as “opinion” as facts, thanks. Because an opinion piece by the times is not subject to any what you just said right? As long it’s a leftie source it’s all good ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/106 "2019-01-31T22:30:23Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Because an opinion piece by the times is not subject to any what you just said right? > As long it’s a leftie source it’s all good I don’t remember listing an opinion piece as support for any factual claims I’ve made, so I don’t know why you would imply that about my motivations. But yes, I would separate “Opinion” pieces from “News” articles. And in fact, that’s what reliable news sources do. Also, I try to avoid “leftie sources” unless they’ve developed a reputation for accuracy. I don’t need anyone telling me what to think, or slanting facts to reflect their bias. I’d hope that, even if I were a “rightie” I’d avoid the NYPost as the garbage heap it was. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/107 "2019-01-31T22:38:28Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Also, I try to avoid “leftie sources” unless they’ve developed a reputation for accuracy. I don’t need anyone telling me what to think, or slanting facts to reflect their bias. I’d hope that, even if I were a “rightie” I’d avoid the NYPost as the garbage heap it was. I might be overstating my impartiality here. I do read opinion pieces by leftists as a way to understand the news, e.g., this thread by [Seth Abramson](https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1090834661507559424). But if his interpretation was consistently biased (as shown by deviation from actual outcomes), I’d stop reading him. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/108 "2019-01-31T22:40:25Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You are aware that things like witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and the like are federal crimes, right? > > Honestly, even if it turns out that absolutely none of the Trump-Russia collusion threads go anywhere (not likely, but okay), there is plenty of evidence of Trump doing some real fuckin’ criminal shit. Yeah, and I’m aware that similar could be said of many politicians. Bottom line is they all get away with it, sans what amounts to a taped confession (Nixon) When a party starts screaming impeachment before or shortly after elections are over and just latching on to anything they think might do the trick it’s 1. Whiny as hell 2. Extreme I’ve heard plenty of qualifying accusations of federal crimes on either side. If Hillary had won I’d be talking the same crap to whiny extreme Republicans. It ain’t right, but we all know how white collar crime goes…and how extensively forgiving a system high level politicians like say the president are actually subject to. Hell if I would have broken security protocols the way Hillary did…well…I doubt I’d be walking around free. Within the current system screaming impeachment for anything short of an easy clear cut case puts you way far off into whichever side you sit on. Now, if the report presents some clear cut case ,different story. I highly doubt a report that’s taking two years to put together is going to be anything resembling clear cut solid evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/109 "2019-01-31T22:44:46Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Hell if I would have broken security protocols the way Hillary did…well…I doubt I’d be walking around free. > > . This has been repeatedly debunked. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/110 "2019-01-31T22:44:52Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Hell if I would have broken security protocols the way Hillary did…well…I doubt I’d be walking around free. Really? Didn’t Comey make the point that no one, ever, had previously been charged for what she did? You think you would be the first in the history of the United States? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/111 "2019-01-31T22:45:54Z")
And if it took two months to put together the claim would be that there was no way to gather solid evidence in that amount of time. Tell me-is there any period of time for an investigation against Trump that would be satisfactory to you? ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/112 "2019-01-31T22:46:27Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I don’t remember listing an opinion piece as support for any factual claims I’ve made, so I don’t know why you would imply that about my motivations. > > But yes, I would separate “Opinion” pieces from “News” articles. And in fact, that’s what reliable news sources do. > > Also, I try to avoid “leftie sources” unless they’ve developed a reputation for accuracy. I don’t need anyone telling me what to think, or slanting facts to reflect their bias. I’d hope that, even if I were a “rightie” I’d avoid the NYPost as the garbage heap it was. Not you but… Well what started the whole mess was an opinion piece in the times presented as fact and backed up as fact by several posters. Now, I’d guess I certainly could get some better sources here but as yet I haven’t had the opportunity to sit down and read up. Which is why asked for clarification that the source for the dossier was russian/ brittish spies… Noone seemed to refute that it was. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/113 "2019-01-31T22:48:38Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Not you but… > Well what started the whole mess was an opinion piece in the times presented as fact and backed up as fact by several posters. > > Now, I’d guess I certainly could get some better sources here but as yet I haven’t had the opportunity to sit down and read up. > > Which is why asked for clarification that the source for the dossier was russian/ brittish spies… > > Noone seemed to refute that it was. I think it would be pretty easy to search and see that the dossier was complied by an independent person with sources in the Russian government. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/114 "2019-01-31T22:48:49Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Really? Didn’t Comey make the point that no one, ever, had previously been charged for what she did? You think you would be the first in the history of the United States? Well, at the very least I’m sure I’d have had my security clearance revoked. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/115 "2019-01-31T22:51:17Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I think it would be pretty easy to search and see that the dossier was complied by an independent person with sources in the Russian government. An independent person , or an employee of the campaign…? Who did what now, got dirt from the Russian government? Seems like semantics ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/116 "2019-01-31T22:53:07Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > I highly doubt a report that’s taking two years to put together is going to be anything resembling clear cut solid evidence. Riiight. If Mueller had just pulled an all-nighter and cut-and-pasted a few paragraphs from Wikipedia, _that_ would have produced “clear cut solid evidence”. But a two-year-long investigation, with federal search warrants, FBI raids, indictments, multiple people convicted or pleading guilty to federal crimes? Obviously crap. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/117 "2019-01-31T22:54:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And if it took two months to put together the claim would be that there was no way to gather solid evidence in that amount of time. Tell me-is there any period of time for an investigation against Trump that would be satisfactory to you? If it took two months I would be expecting a pretty clear cut case one way or the other . It’s all speculation, but yeah extremely long investigations tend to be all over the place And at best lead to extremely loooong trials or hearings or what have you. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/118 "2019-01-31T22:56:03Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > An independent person , or an employee of the campaign…? > Who did what now, got dirt from the Russian government? > > Seems like semantics An independent person who was sub-contracted by a company that the campaign contracted to do work. And yes, he used his sources, some of whom were inside the Russian government (and some of whom later mysteriously died) to get intelligence on Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/119 "2019-01-31T22:59:53Z")
It’s also pretty safe to say white collar crime gets some very light sentences… The only precedent is nixon and he got pardoned before conviction. If Mueller has anything short of a taped confession I don’t expect similar results to even that…but ya never know I guess ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/120 "2019-01-31T23:01:43Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > (and some of whom later mysteriously died). I thought there was more than one mysterious death, but upon re-checking I see that there was only one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=7)