# The Mueller report. The week after its released **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/121 "2019-01-31T23:02:00Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > An independent person who was sub-contracted by a company that the campaign contracted to do work. > > And yes, he used his sources, some of whom were inside the Russian government (and some of whom later mysteriously died) to get intelligence on Trump. So if Trump used someone who was contracted to meet up and get dirt on Hillary that whole meeting would be ok? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/122 "2019-01-31T23:05:52Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > So if Trump used someone who was contracted to meet up and get dirt on Hillary that whole meeting would be ok? Well, that would depend. If Trump paid someone a fair market rate to gather information for him, then that would not be a problem. In fact, Trump paid probably thousands of people to do things for him in relation to the campaign, including likely to gather information on Clinton, and none of those transactions was ever considered to be a problem. That’s not what happened. (Do you understand the issue here? I don’t think that you do.) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/123 "2019-01-31T23:09:21Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > If Trump paid someone a fair market rate to gather information for him… Let me clarify that I believe he wouldn’t have even had to pay them if they were volunteering for his campaign, if they were US citizens. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/124 "2019-01-31T23:15:22Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > Wow, I know this board learns to the left, but the choice of #4 is a long shot. People are going to be upset here. What’s going to happen here is that you’ll realize you are wrong, and you’ll silently crawl away without ever facing the fact. Enjoy this game between now and then. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/125 "2019-01-31T23:17:58Z")
Not the way you do. Still seems like semantics to me if your campaign is gathering Intel through connections to a foreign power. Much like hiring a Hitman doesn’t make you less of a murderer. In any case I would hope that the impeachment of any president would be thought of as a sad day in American history rather than something to hope and pray for and cheer about. At least by anyone who considers themselves moderate. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/126 "2019-01-31T23:27:35Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Not the way you do. Yeah, I’d agree with that. > [@](#): > > Much like hiring a Hitman doesn’t make you less of a murderer. Another great analogy would be how investigating your nanny’s background by calling her prior employer is no different than having a foreign government offer to commit crimes to manipulate a United States presidential election on your behalf, and then telling them to go ahead with their proposed criminal activity. Huh, maybe the second part of that analogy is a little too on the nose. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/127 "2019-01-31T23:38:05Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > What’s going to happen here is that you’ll realize you are wrong, and you’ll silently crawl away without ever facing the fact. Enjoy this game between now and then. In fact, this reminds me of the guy on these boards, who (during the 2nd Gulf War) assured us that he was “in the know” and had insider knowledge that there were definitely, positively, without doubt WMD’s in Sadaam’s Iraq. He knew this, you see. And the rest of us would be amazed, AMAZED, once it all came out, and his insider knowledge would be shown to be the truth. Then, he slunk away, and was never heard from again. Done. Vanished into the night. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/128 "2019-02-01T00:47:43Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > Should I have said a month later? Forces were out to get Trump the moment he was the President-Elect. Two years have passed Czarcasm. > > Mueller and his large team have had plenty of time to investigate. If you think he’s holding back on a charge against Trump, I’ve got a gold mine the size of a mountain I’m looking to sell for $19.95 > > Impeachment is far fetched unless something significant comes up that has Watergate-like proof. Let’s say audio and visual evidence. Or email evidence. There is no such thing here. Congress can vote to impeach; it takes s 2/3 vote from the Senate to confirm it. That would be a low point in USA politics, voting to impeach when nothing guilty was found on the President. I don’t even want to think of the ramifications or payback for such a stunt. Nancy, just don’t. 30 indictments, 8 people convicted, all of them connected to Trump and or his business or campaign. And that’s just the tip of the ice burgh. To defend Trump, a person must believe that the President of the United States is so easily manipulated, and such an idiot that he had nothing to do with any of this. That’s really Trumps only defense. “I’m a moron”. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/129 "2019-02-01T00:59:34Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > In any case I would hope that the impeachment of any president would be thought of as a sad day in American history rather than something to hope and pray for and cheer about. At least by anyone who considers themselves moderate. I don’t care if you consider yourself Left, Right or Moderate. Impeachment of the President shows that the Constitution works, and we will not stand for electing a moron ‘King’. I will celebrate that the FF’s did it right. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/130 "2019-02-01T01:18:49Z")
It’s hard see in what context Trump’s actions towards anything to do with Russia make sense other than that of his being a Russian asset. If he isn’t one, he’s sure acting like one. It’s all happening right in front of us, and it doesn’t take any particular left-wing proclivities to see it. Maybe Trump supporters have too much of their identity invested in his administration to see what’s in front of them, I don’t know, but there’s nothing particularly liberal about seeing Trump invite the Russian press into the oval office to tell them the heat’s off now that he’s fired Comey and thinking something could be a bit fishy. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/131 "2019-02-01T01:52:33Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Maybe Trump supporters have too much of their identity invested in his administration to see what’s in front of them, I don’t know, but there’s nothing particularly liberal about seeing Trump invite the Russian press into the oval office to tell them the heat’s off now that he’s fired Comey and thinking something could be a bit fishy. Not the Russian press–[Russian _government officials_](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html). ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/132 "2019-02-01T02:20:33Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I don’t care if you consider yourself Left, Right or Moderate. Impeachment of the President shows that the Constitution works, and we will not stand for electing a moron ‘King’. > > I will celebrate that the FF’s did it right. We had W, speaking of moron kings ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/133 "2019-02-01T02:21:45Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > 30 indictments, 8 people convicted, all of them connected to Trump and or his business or campaign. And that’s just the tip of the ice burgh. > > To defend Trump, a person must believe that the President of the United States is so easily manipulated, and such an idiot that he had nothing to do with any of this. > > That’s really Trumps only defense. “I’m a moron”. I didn’t know was always Hillary’s defense ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/134 "2019-02-01T02:36:22Z")
If there’s a trial it looks like it will be a mob boss type deal. How hard it is to prove is going to be based on wordplay. According to this guy > **[Has Mueller eaten from the 'fruit of the poisonous tree'? | CNN](https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/23/opinions/mueller-trump-fruit-of-poisonous-tree-honig/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F)** > > Elie Honig reviews the week's legal developments relating to Michael Cohen, Rudy Giuliani and the Robert Mueller probe of the Trump campaign, and answers readers' questions. See the first question in the QA section at bottom. Doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of faith in hard evidence of collusion but rather can they prove Trump’s ordering people to sabotage the investigation. So if he gets a real charge I’d guess it would be obstruction or something. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/135 "2019-02-01T04:46:06Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > I didn’t know was always Hillary’s defense “Argle Bargle Hillary” is not really a stirring nor effective defense for Mr. Trump’s stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/136 "2019-02-01T05:21:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Argle Bargle Hillary” is not really a stirring nor effective defense for Mr. Trump’s stupidity. Good. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/137 "2019-02-01T06:07:22Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Good. Then you might just consider that bringing up Hillary over and over in a thread about Mueller’s investigation, charges and convictions of Trump associates… makes any argument you bring to bear look weak and ineffectual. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/138 "2019-02-01T06:48:15Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Well, at the very least I’m sure I’d have had my security clearance revoked. At the time this came out, Hillary was no longer SoS, wasn’t president or president-elect, was no longer a Senator. She was essentially a private citizen, right? What kind of security clearance would she have possessed to be revoked? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/139 "2019-02-01T07:09:57Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Yeah, and I’m aware that similar could be said of many politicians. …No, it _really_ couldn’t. > [@](#): > > I’ve heard plenty of qualifying accusations of federal crimes on either side. …No, not even close. > [@](#): > > If Hillary had won I’d be talking the same crap to whiny extreme Republicans. I’m sure you would. This is the same party that entertained birtherism for ages. That doesn’t mean that it’s actually the same thing. > [@](#): > > Hell if I would have broken security protocols the way Hillary did…well…I doubt I’d be walking around free. Buddy… You have _no idea what you’re talking about_. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/140 "2019-02-01T07:23:03Z")
And this is my long time complaint. People simply do not know how government works. 19 fucking approvals from 19 fucking regulatory agencies are done, but no. No! Hillary can do what she wants with a pen and move uranium whenever she wants. Test before voting would be best. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=8)